Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Danielson Gesendet: Montag, 28. September 2009 00:38 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS) Jim, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: Design AND component... Easy to claim heritage if all you do is change a resistor

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
The old King Radio (then Bendix-King now part of Honeywell) Silver crown aircraft radios used 4046's in some of the synthesisers. The one in the VHF com had a different King part number to that in the ADF (MF direction finder). While trouble shooting we tried an ADF chip in a VHF (didn't have

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Margina design? ;) Better said, very poor design. Does not sound very good that same part, same lot code, sometimes work here but not there, sometimes does not work at all... Extending it a bit... sometimes will work at a given temperature, sometimes will not at a given other. Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 7:22 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: Margina design? ;) Better said, very poor design. Does not sound very good that same part, same lot code, sometimes work here but not there, sometimes does not work at all... Extending it a bit... sometimes will work at a

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Yes, of course, some applications needs the parts that are in the better side of the distribution curve for a particular parameter and for a particularly stringent application, as you mention :), but I think that a 4046 seems a part that should not have to be so critical that even in the same

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Francesco Ledda
been a big No-No! Regards, Francesco -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Javier Herrero Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:23 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 9:54 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: Yes, of course, some applications needs the parts that are in the better side of the distribution curve for a particular parameter and for a particularly stringent application, as you mention :), but I think that a 4046 seems

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a commercial aircraft application, and the components selection was a lot less restringent than

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
. The rules said a specific type of fuse must be used at the input, the minimum rating of that approved type of fuse was 3.15A! Robert G8RPI. --- On Sun, 27/9/09, Lux, Jim (337C) james.p@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: From: Lux, Jim (337C) james.p@jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 4046

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Javier Herrero wrote: Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a commercial aircraft application, and the components selection was a lot

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Bob Paddock
The part might look wrong without this information. One case was a 3.15A fuse in series with a 27R resistor at the 28V supply input. The fuse can never blow (no the aircraft didn't have 115V 400Hz supplies). The reason was a pater exercise to obtain intrinsic safety approval without formal

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 1:54 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Javier Herrero wrote: Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Jim, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: Design AND component... Easy to claim heritage if all you do is change a resistor or a capacitor. Tougher to claim if you change the active components, particularly if it's functionally different (e.g. Substituting a 2n3904 for a 2n isn't a huge deal.. Changing