Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 6c69adeb-a4d8-4dee-a5d4-aec0fd164...@n1k.org, Bob Camp writes: HI We seem to have drifted a bit. This started out as a supply for the Z3xxx Lucent GPSDO’s. [...] Which, being telco material, is likely built to work exactly the way I described: An unclean, unregulated DC

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-27 Thread Bob Camp
. Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power HI We seem to have drifted a bit. This started out as a supply

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: There are a variety of inexpensive wall-wart packaged float chargers for lead acid batteries around. Might be easier to just get something off the shelf. http://www.power-sonic.com/images/powersonic/chargers/AC-

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Tom Miller
Hi Jim, I think these chargers are only meant for float charging the battery. They are not meant to supply a load (GPSDO) current. It is more for connecting to your motorcycle or tractor battery and keeping it fully charged over winter storage conditions. I just picked up a MeanWell 24 volt

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/26/14, 10:43 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: There are a variety of inexpensive wall-wart packaged float chargers for lead acid batteries around. Might be easier to just get something off the shelf.

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The Gibbs 5 Mhz frequency standard used a two step power supply system. http://prc68.com/I/office_equip.html It uses a couple of series connected UA723 based power supplies. One to drop the AC line to 20 VDC to float charge 3 series connected 6 Volt (18 V total) lead acid batteries and the

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/26/14, 10:59 AM, Tom Miller wrote: Hi Jim, I think these chargers are only meant for float charging the battery. They are not meant to supply a load (GPSDO) current. It is more for connecting to your motorcycle or tractor battery and keeping it fully charged over winter storage

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Jim Sanford
Where did you get it? On 10/26/2014 1:59 PM, Tom Miller wrote: Hi Jim, I think these chargers are only meant for float charging the battery. They are not meant to supply a load (GPSDO) current. It is more for connecting to your motorcycle or tractor battery and keeping it fully charged over

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAGVVbuFAM=u5Uhdf+wgTUNuoeMZ+=pzwq4jpugjnjdd60fg...@mail.gmail.com , Brian Lloyd writes: There are a variety of inexpensive wall-wart packaged float chargers for lead acid batteries around. Might be easier to just get something off the shelf. Some of these things are

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
Living in south Florida backup power is short term and long term. As lab batteries I use T 105 also known as Golf Cart batteries. Costco has those 6 Volt 200+A batteries for less than $ 80. Super price. Yes I have Costco stock. For charging I use a VIctron Energy Phoenix 12 V 30 A charger.

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread paul swed
A very interesting subject. If I am not mistaken the HP CS battery backup supplies use a charger and post regulator/inverter. The charger is well designed but linear as I recall. I have one in the basement with 2 X 28 Amp hour SLA batteries. Purchased new. I screwed around with flea market duds.

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Chris Albertson
I had a sail boat with six of those T105 batteries and the big AC charger too. But I was running lights, a microwave oven, radios and so on. Those batteries held kilowatt-hours of energy. That is gross over kill for a GPSDO. The simplest setup for a low power device is a LiPo battery of the

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Chris Albertson
A pack made up of QUALITY 18650 sized cylindrical Li-ion cells would be a much wiser choice. Only use cells from well known big-name makers (Sanyo, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony). And make sure they are genuine cells. Yes, buy decent packs made from soldered batteries. Used as a backup to a low

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Bob Camp
HI We seem to have drifted a bit. This started out as a supply for the Z3xxx Lucent GPSDO’s. In those units, you have a 24 volt switcher that is driven off of the battery or linear supply. Since it’s designed as an isolated supply, I doubt the switcher in the GPSDO is looking for a very clean

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, The little brick says it's happy with 18-36V.  Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power HI We

Re: [time-nuts] float chargers for oscillator backup power

2014-10-26 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: The little brick says it's happy with 18-36V.  A 2:1 range of input voltage is common for power bricks. On page 5-4, the Z3801A manual says: BTS 27 nominal 19-30 operating, over 23 starting BSC 54 nominal 37-60 operating, over 46 starting A couple of other