[time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
Golleee. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Antelope-Audio-Isochrone-10M.html I'm trying to decide if there's even the slightest chance that this actually has any justification, or if it's just the latest successor to the $500 wooden knobs and Tube-o-lator chip lacquer. ... http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/4309/P20/ http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/altmann_tube_o_lator_lacquer -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP, SCWCD http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA 925383 - Amateur Radio Station K3XS - ARRL 39280 - AMSAT 32844 The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order.-A.N.Whitehead ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magg ie Leber writes: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Antelope-Audio-Isochrone-10M.html Somebody will buy it, you can sell anything to hifi-nuts. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
Thanks for making my day, Maggie! While there's some value, I guess, in an accurate, stable, and low jitter clock source for audio work, I suspect the fancy panel and pretentious title add a nice multiplier to the price of a low-end Rb! By the way -- the $500 knob is one of my favorites. If you ever are bored, google for audiophile and you'll soon find yourself in a world of the most amazing hogwash -- multi-kilobuck power cables, and $30K speaker cables! I sometimes worry about our obsession, but at least what we do can actually be measured. :-) 73, John Maggie Leber said the following on 04/19/2007 09:35 AM: Golleee. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Antelope-Audio-Isochrone-10M.html I'm trying to decide if there's even the slightest chance that this actually has any justification, or if it's just the latest successor to the $500 wooden knobs and Tube-o-lator chip lacquer. ... http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/4309/P20/ http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/altmann_tube_o_lator_lacquer -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP, SCWCD http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA 925383 - Amateur Radio Station K3XS - ARRL 39280 - AMSAT 32844 The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order.-A.N.Whitehead ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] Global warming to shorten day by 0.12msec
According to the local engineering paper, Felix Landerer from Max Planck in Hamburg has run the IPCC numbers through the math and found that in 2200 Earth will rotate .12 msec faster due to mass redistributions. The Moon's tidal friction slows it down by 0.23 msec/century it says. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: and $30K speaker cables! The most amazing thing about this, is that the magnetic field in a coil is proportional to the current through it, not the voltage across it, yet all loudspeakers and amplifiers are designed to control the voltage and not the current. Once you fix that (and it's pretty trivial on any amplifier with a feedback loop) the cables suddenly doesn't matter and you get _much_ better definition in the reproduction. I dit that to my set 20 years ago, and hasn't bothered since :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Global warming to shorten day by 0.12msec
Are you sure this isn't due to McDonalds of Hamburger, and Global Widening... of Girth? -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: According to the local engineering paper, Felix Landerer from Max Planck in Hamburg has run the IPCC numbers through the math and found that in 2200 Earth will rotate .12 msec faster due to mass redistributions. The Moon's tidal friction slows it down by 0.23 msec/century it says. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Global warming to shorten day by 0.12msec
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: You mean when all the overweight pensioners move to Florida ? Yeah, I guess that would be measurable... Are you sure this isn't due to McDonalds of Hamburger, and Global Widening... of Girth? -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: According to the local engineering paper, Felix Landerer from Max Planck in Hamburg has run the IPCC numbers through the math and found that in 2200 Earth will rotate .12 msec faster due to mass redistributions. The Moon's tidal friction slows it down by 0.23 msec/century it says. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Global warming to shorten day by 0.12msec
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] Global warming to shorten day by 0.12msec Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:04:22 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the local engineering paper, Felix Landerer from Max Planck in Hamburg has run the IPCC numbers through the math and found that in 2200 Earth will rotate .12 msec faster due to mass redistributions. That would amount to slightly more than 4 leap seconds each year. So much for end of each half year preference. Seems like a better thing to fix that broken Posix standard. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:10:24 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: and $30K speaker cables! The most amazing thing about this, is that the magnetic field in a coil is proportional to the current through it, not the voltage across it, yet all loudspeakers and amplifiers are designed to control the voltage and not the current. Once you fix that (and it's pretty trivial on any amplifier with a feedback loop) the cables suddenly doesn't matter and you get _much_ better definition in the reproduction. Certainly. This is so true. You need to consider one thing thought, you want an over voltage/current protection to nicely handle unplugging of connectors etc. I dit that to my set 20 years ago, and hasn't bothered since :-) It is *still* too new methology, even if it has been known for ages. Conservative fools. Cheers, Magnus - who used to work with PAs. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10MAffordable Atomic Clocking Device
At 09:10 AM 4/19/2007 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: and $30K speaker cables! The most amazing thing about this, is that the magnetic field in a coil is proportional to the current through it, not the voltage across it, yet all loudspeakers and amplifiers are designed to control the voltage and not the current. Does the speaker rely on the output impedance of the amplifier for damping? -- newell N5TNL ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10MAffordable Atomic Clocking Device
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Newell w rites: At 09:10 AM 4/19/2007 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: and $30K speaker cables! The most amazing thing about this, is that the magnetic field in a coil is proportional to the current through it, not the voltage across it, yet all loudspeakers and amplifiers are designed to control the voltage and not the current. Does the speaker rely on the output impedance of the amplifier for damping? does it matter if the basic physics is wrong ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
At 9:35 AM -0400 4/19/07, Maggie Leber wrote: Golleee. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/Antelope-Audio-Isochrone-10M.html I'm trying to decide if there's even the slightest chance that this actually has any justification, or if it's just the latest successor to the $500 wooden knobs and Tube-o-lator chip lacquer. ... Maggie, The only thing missing from that expensive box is a 12 digit frequency display to show all the zeroes that the customer just paid so much money for. An accurate clock is somewhat useful, but the audiophile way is to spend a lot of money to optimize some unimportant parameter way too far while ignoring the basic things. Considering that only rarely is a recording more than an hour long, having sample timing accuracy for an eight-day-long recording is overkill. Also, it's hard to find a person capable of detecting the pitch error caused by any crystal oscillator being out of whack by the typical .01% of a cheap microprocessor crystal. That's less than a tenth of a Hertz at middle A! However, if you want the best for your mastering studio, a $100 ebay surplus ovenized crystal will get you to .1% accuracy easily, with lower jitter than a phase-locked rubidium oscillator. -- --David Forbes, Tucson, AZ http://www.cathodecorner.com/ ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist
I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver. Unfortunately that watch ain't it. Gad, they need a good industrial designer! Maybe they'll put the same electronics in a table/travel clock. If it had a 1PPS connector on the back, so much the better :-) John On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:09:46 +0100, Robert Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One problem with atomic timecode receiving clocks is the availability of a usable signal. Most only receive the signal for the geographic area where they were sold. Interference (SMPSU's etc) is also a problem. Thus my vote goes to the sub $100 Garmin Forerunner 101. https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=142pID=231 Yes it's a GPS referenced wrist watch! They sell it as a training (running aid) but it has a nice big time display. In terms of long time accuracy, the availability of a time up-date any where in the world and price it's got to be the winner. It's not much of a fashion statement though! Robert. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Vince Sent: 17 April 2007 11:30 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist Jim Palfreyman wrote: Also, on the NIST website they talk about a new development - the atomic clock the size of a grain of rice. I see this as having huge future potential. Does anyone have any news on this development? Development continues - they are trying to reduce the power consumption by an order of magnitude to about 30mW so it can work in battery-powered equipment. Oh and yes I want one! Join the queue! ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts Genetix Limited - Queensway, New Milton, Hampshire, BH25 5NN Registered in England No. 2660050 www.genetix.com Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily Genetix Ltd (Genetix) or any company associated with it. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify Genetix by telephone on +44 (0)1425 624600. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. This mail and any attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving Genetix network. Genetix will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages as a result of any virus being passed on, or arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist
I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver. Unfortunately that watch ain't it. Gad, they need a good industrial designer! Maybe they'll put the same electronics in a table/travel clock. If it had a 1PPS connector on the back, so much the better :-) John Have you looked at the various Casio GPS watches? /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] Fwd: Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device
-- Forwarded message -- From: Margaret Leber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 19, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic Clocking Device To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com On 4/19/07, David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, it's hard to find a person capable of detecting the pitch error caused by any crystal oscillator being out of whack by the typical .01% of a cheap microprocessor crystal. That's less than a tenth of a Hertz at middle A! That was kind of my thought. I have excellent *relative* pitch memory; I can reproduce and recognize musical intervals very accurately. But a digital clock would have to be grossly mistimed to matter audibly. I just thought the time-nuts would be amused by that platimum-plated sillyness. -- Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP, SCWCD http://voicenet.com/~maggie AOPA 925383 - Amateur Radio Station K3XS - ARRL 39280 - AMSAT 32844 The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order.-A.N.Whitehead ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist
Neon John wrote: I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver. Unfortunately that watch ain't it. Gad, they need a good industrial designer! Maybe they'll put the same electronics in a table/travel clock. If it had a 1PPS connector on the back, so much the better :-) John The Casio watch is rechargeable, since the GPS function drains the battery in two hours. Amusingly, it takes three hours to charge it, so the GPS drain current is higher than the charger's output! Recharging a wristwatch is not my idea of a good time. It needs to be very easy to do. A USB-powered charger may be ideal. I expect a practical GPS wrist-mounted timepiece would use the GPS only every couple of days to resync, giving time accurate to perhaps a few tenths of a second. You could always request a resync if you needed to know precisely what time it was. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:53:42 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been waiting with baited breath for a GPS watch. NOT a NAVAID on the wrist but a simple GPS-synced watch. It would seem to me that making a miniature GPS receiver would be much easier than making a WWVB receiver. Unfortunately that watch ain't it. Gad, they need a good industrial designer! Maybe they'll put the same electronics in a table/travel clock. If it had a 1PPS connector on the back, so much the better :-) John Have you looked at the various Casio GPS watches? Too big and ugly. I don't want to look like a poseur SEAL or marathon runner :-) This Luminox I wear now is about as far as I want to go down that road and even then I had to wait for 'em to offer one without the Navy SEALS moniker on the face. My absolute perfect watch would be one merging a Casio, tritium backlight and GPS receiver. The Casio I'm referring to has an analog dial with the LCD display as part of the crystal. You look through the LCD to see the dial. Put tritium vials on the analog part and add a GPS timing receiver and perfection. The watch that I liked most of any I've ever had is the old Sensor, sold by JSA wholesale back in the 70s. One of the very first LCD watches, it has a flat tritium capsule under the display. Bright enough back then to use as a flashlight for finding keyholes and the like. I still have it but the tritium has decayed so that the glow is just barely perceptible with night-adjusted eyes. I worked at TVA's Sequoyah Nuclear Plant back then. Several of us in the office bought Sensors at the same time. Naturally a contest developed to see who could produce the most accurate watch. The sensor had a trimmer cap under the back which was good to a few seconds a month. After that temperature compensation was required. I made surface mount NPO caps before there were surface mount components by removing the outer coating from a disc cap, nipping off little chunks and soldering them to the tiny PCB. We all achieved better than a few seconds a year so no one was ever named the winner. That's probably where my time-nuttiness got started :-) John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate clock on your wrist
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:58:06 -0700, David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Casio watch is rechargeable, since the GPS function drains the battery in two hours. Amusingly, it takes three hours to charge it, so the GPS drain current is higher than the charger's output! Recharging a wristwatch is not my idea of a good time. It needs to be very easy to do. A USB-powered charger may be ideal. Mine neither. Maybe someone will use inductive charging or solar power like my G-shock WWVB watch. That one just has solar cell around the edges since it's opaque brown. I read somewhere of the development of an organic solar material that is semi-transparent. Perhaps they could coat the whole crystal with the stuff. I expect a practical GPS wrist-mounted timepiece would use the GPS only every couple of days to resync, giving time accurate to perhaps a few tenths of a second. You could always request a resync if you needed to know precisely what time it was. Yep, much more reasonable. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] FA OCXO
I just put an Isotemp OCXO on Ebay. I have two of these and the second one may end up there as well. I have to decide if I need it or not :-) The item number is 190105099278. Thanks Bill K7NOM ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10MAffordable Atomic Clocking Device
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10MAffordable Atomic Clocking Device Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:02:02 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Newell w rites: At 09:10 AM 4/19/2007 , Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: and $30K speaker cables! The most amazing thing about this, is that the magnetic field in a coil is proportional to the current through it, not the voltage across it, yet all loudspeakers and amplifiers are designed to control the voltage and not the current. Does the speaker rely on the output impedance of the amplifier for damping? Yes, the way things work... :-P does it matter if the basic physics is wrong ? Hi Fi folks doesn't make sense. They never have. Oh... to make this thread go back on topic... I just came back from Didriks Stacken lecture on Time and Frequency in a modern society that I tricked him into holding. You Poul-Henning was explicitly mentioned spontaniously by audience and by Didrik explicitly. :) I brought a collection of things (a GPS antenna, a pair of GPS OEM boards, an OCXO and an Rb-standard) just to make things a little more concrete. :) I think Didrik got the message in. :) Bjorn, it was a pitty you wheren't able to be there. :) Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] Antelope Audio Launches The Isochrone 10M Affordable Atomic ...
In a message dated 4/19/2007 09:36:35 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you want the best for your mastering studio, a $100 ebay surplus ovenized crystal will get you to .1% accuracy easily, with lower jitter than a phase-locked rubidium oscillator. Hi guys, I love the fact that they send the 10MHz through SPDIF, which we all know has huge jitter in it's optical incarnation :) BTW: after looking at some of the more recent Audio CD's output on a scope, and seeing that the Audio is clipped visibly on most CD's nowadays, I wrote a program to check for clipping in WAV files. One would be surprised how bad the recording industry is mastering music these days, and how much they rely on good reconstruction filters to get rid of the clipping distortions. One way to tell this is listening to old CD's that were mastered correctly (a good example is Eye In the Sky by Alan Parsons), and comparing just how loud they are recorded now compared to the 80's recordings. I was told this is due to the fact that louder sounds better on Radio. So now our HiFi friends have 0.01ppb stability with 5% clipping destortion. Nice. bye, Said ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
[time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and atomic references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which audiophools will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports? ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:21:28 -0700, Bruce Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) That's absurd but if you want to delve into the tin-foil hat areas, google for speaker cable ager. I just can't bring myself to do so. In short, some of the tin-foil hat types claim that a speaker cable has to be aged with pink noise (the spectrum of which is vigorously debated) before connecting to the system. A few companies sell aging boxes and several others offer the 'service'. There also seems to be some debate on whether the pink noise has to actually pass a current through the cable or if its just being there is enough to do the aging. At that same altitude of looniness - waay out there - is the $50K turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block. I used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it. Oh, and while we're at it, there's a company manufacturing (for about $80 each) beeswax paper capacitors like we grew to know and hate in old tube-type stuff. When I do a period-correct restoration of an old radio I hollow out these damnable caps and put something modern inside. The loonies claim these old paper caps are more colorful even if it's only used as a screen bypass cap. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Neon John wrote: At that same altitude of looniness - waay out there - is the $50K turntable where the works float on a pool of mercury contained in a hollowed out lake on the top of about 2 tons of solid marble block. I used to have the URL to this thing but I can't seem to find it. John Whoever devised that had probably breathed too much mercury vapour. Mercury pools are exquisitely sensitive to seismic and traffic vibrations. The usual way around this is to use a thin layer of mercury possibly with an oil film on top. When used in a parabolic dish and spun up using airbearing drive a thin mercury film makes a high quality transit telescope. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and atomic references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which audiophools will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). Take a look at this Aromatherapy and Audiophools which appeared in Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Thanks, Dave. Archived and stored. ;-) *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 20-Apr-07 at 03:32 Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and atomic references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which audiophools will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). Take a look at this Aromatherapy and Audiophools which appeared in Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech do/t c=o=m If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped with surreal ports? ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 02:21, Bruce Lane wrote: Discussions involving audiphoolery, particularly where silly things like $500 knobs and atomic references for CD writing are involved, never fail to amuse me. With that in mind, and given the current thread about Antelope Audio, I feel compelled to point out a link which, I think, illustrates one of the peaks to which audiophools will go to satisfy their obsessions. http://www.monstercable.com/productDisplay.asp?pin=195 I invite all to have a good chuckle over this one. ;-) Keep the peace(es). Take a look at this Aromatherapy and Audiophools which appeared in Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. http://www.g8wrb.org/useful-stuff/audiophools.pdf I still remember the mercury filled speaker wires post - see also http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hall/8701/Audio_BS.htm and in case anybody still needs convincing http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/632/v/3/sp/332683698431330268420 *Harmonic Technology Fantasy *In our test system Fantasy proved to be an extremely charming cable, it is extremely fine and smooth while being able to resolve detail with ease. Acoustic space is well defined and instrument tone is pretty good too. Excuse me while I gag. $900 for a par of 3m wires! John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
Re: [time-nuts] OT: Audiophoolery
Take a look at this Aromatherapy and Audiophools which appeared in Electronics World and Wireless World, October 1999. I thought it was so funny I scanned it and stuck it on my web site. Wonderful! Many thanks for that. My favorite story in this department involved a visit to a friend who was one of 'those people'. So, to test his critical listening skills vis-a-vis the quality of his multi-thousands of dollars in equipment, we had him put on his favorite, best source, sit and listen while we adjusted the controls on the set until he said we had gotten the sound just perfect. We switched back and forth, once we had the setting he thought sounded best, to what he had argued was best. The debate had been between whether the tone settings should be flat or not. Didn't matter. The setting he thought sounded far and away the best? *Mono* We were never regaled with stories of his superb equipment or critical listening again. Tom Frank ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
