Re: [time-nuts] Mains and TV 50Hz

2008-10-08 Thread Steve Rooke
Murray, Having somewhat started this topic, I'd like to say thank you for this interesting post. Indeed, I believe that it is probably possible to gain some form of freq standard from the mains, although it would have to be over a long term period and it does not appear that there is any

[time-nuts] NTP, Oncore and Allan deviation

2008-10-08 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello all, I'm playing around with an NTP server using a Blackfin processor and uClinux, and a Oncore M12M-Timing. The board is our H8606, http://www.hvsistemas.com/en/prod/H8606.html , with the standard crystal oscillator replaced with a FOX924B TCXO, http://www.foxonline.com/pdfs/fox924.pdf

[time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Gentlemen, up to now I have been thinking that I am pretty well informed about current counter technology but some experiences of the last days make me doubt. The following applies to frequency measurements of a 10 MHz signal. I have received some data measured with an Agilent 53131 counter from

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ulrich, up to now I have been thinking that I am pretty well informed about current counter technology but some experiences of the last days make me doubt. The following applies to frequency measurements of a 10 MHz signal. I have received some data measured with an Agilent 53131 counter

Re: [time-nuts] Mains and TV 50Hz

2008-10-08 Thread Hal Murray
On this latter point, let's say that a clock driven by the mains is correct to within 10 seconds/day (about 1e-4), but in the longer term accuracy is improved. To reach even 1ppm level, you need to accumulate time for 100 days. What chance is there of accumulating for 100 days without a power

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Big question: If the single shot resolution is only 3-4 times better that that of the 53131 and much inferior to the 20 ps of my SR620, how does the 53132 manage to be THAT GOOD A PERFORMER? Magic? Black art? Hi Ulrich, My understanding is that 1) the 53132A has a single-shot resolution of

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Ulrich, My understanding is that 1) the 53132A has a single-shot resolution of about 150 ps, but also 2) it can do something like 200,000 phase measurement per second for CW RF inputs. In frequency mode, the frequency computed and displayed each second is the result

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bruce: The Ref Output on the front panel of the SR620 is derived (1/10,000) from the EXT IN on the rear panel. So when you apply a 10 MHz signal to EXT IN you get a 1 kHz REF OUT. Appendix B in the PSR10 Rubidium source manual describes how to use this along with the arming function to

[time-nuts] Looking for a Efratom FRS-C connector

2008-10-08 Thread Robert Darlington
Hello all, Would any of you happen to know where I can find a mating connector for the Efratom FRS-C rubidium standard? I see one eBay ad via a Google search listing it as a Cannon P/N DAM11WIS, but searches on the ITT/Cannon website don't turn up any hits.Is this a valid part number? Thank

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for a Efratom FRS-C connector

2008-10-08 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: I think you have almost the correct part. The Stanford Research PRS10 uses the same connector, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml The ITT Cannon web page shows many stocking distys for it and the coax insert: http://www.ittcannon.com/support/stockcheck_result.asp Have Fun, Brooke

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for a Efratom FRS-C connector

2008-10-08 Thread Javier Herrero
The part number is 11W1S (one instead of letter i). Mouser has several connectors with 11W1 contact arrangement, and surely that some are adequate for the FRS-C. Try exploring this link:

Re: [time-nuts] Mains and TV 50Hz

2008-10-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
High voltage power lines subject to lightning strikes have reclosing breakers that allow the fault arc to extinguish before reclosing. Last I knew (1968) the reclosing delay was 30 cycles or 1/2 second. Since the breaker recloses into a system of thousands of generators, there is no phase change,

[time-nuts] Fw: What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
- Forwarded Message From: Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 10:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts? Hi Bruce: The Ref Output on the front

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bruce: The Ref Output on the front panel of the SR620 is derived (1/10,000) from the EXT IN on the rear panel. So when you apply a 10 MHz signal to EXT IN you get a 1 kHz REF OUT. Appendix B in the PSR10 Rubidium source manual describes how to use this along

Re: [time-nuts] What is the best counter for a Time Nuts?

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bruce: The Ref Output on the front panel of the SR620 is derived (1/10,000) from the EXT IN on the rear panel. So when you apply a 10 MHz signal to EXT IN you get a 1 kHz REF OUT. Appendix B in the PSR10 Rubidium source manual

[time-nuts] SR620: Cal Error 07 in Self Calibrate routine

2008-10-08 Thread James Robbins
My SR620 fails to complete its Self Calibration Routine by showing Cal Error 07. It won't proceed beyond that point, although at times it will jump to Cal 13-16 programs. Cal Error 07 is listed as flagging hardware problems in the Start TAC (Time to Amplitude Converters) which are the cirsuits

[time-nuts] SR620 fails in Self Calibration routine 07

2008-10-08 Thread Jim Robbins
My SR620 fails in its Self Calibration routine at Cal Error 07. The Users Manual describes this error as a problem with the Start TAC (Time to Amplitude Converters) and indicate that this flags a Hardware problem in the circuits which perform the analog interpolation between the 90 MHz clock

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 fails in Self Calibration routine 07

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Jim Robbins wrote: My SR620 fails in its Self Calibration routine at Cal Error 07. The Users Manual describes this error as a problem with the Start TAC (Time to Amplitude Converters) and indicate that this flags a Hardware problem in the circuits which perform the analog interpolation

[time-nuts] Datum/FTS 4065B MAJOR Fault

2008-10-08 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Recently the Datum 4065 has developed a major fault. Cesium fault numbers 3 5. Cs fault 3 is Zeman Pedestal 160 mv Cs fault 5 is C-Field Current 20.0 ma Status 3 menu sows the C-Field current at 20.2 ma. Status 4 menu shows the C-Field Adjust at +1785 and it should be between -50 and +50.

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 fails in Self Calibration routine 07

2008-10-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Jim Robbins wrote: My SR620 fails in its Self Calibration routine at Cal Error 07. The Users Manual describes this error as a problem with the Start TAC (Time to Amplitude Converters) and indicate that this flags a Hardware problem in the circuits which perform