[time-nuts] Simple questions on GPSDO

2009-09-27 Thread Joseph Gray
Four nights ago, I hooked up one of my Z3801A's for the first time in over three years. When I last had things up and running, I was just getting into trying to understand how these devices work. Since then, I have forgotten much of what little I learned back then. Knowing the level of expertise

[time-nuts] 5313XA Option 03 Clone on eBay

2009-09-27 Thread Roberto Barrios
Hi all, I've just found eBay item nr. 37029876, which lists a Option 03 clone for the popular 53131A 53132A counters. I remember someone was also working on this, from a thread a few months ago. My current counter is a 1Ghz 5385A (any comments on it?) so I don't needed, but I

[time-nuts] Simple questions on GPSDO

2009-09-27 Thread Joseph Gray
Well, we know I can't count, now :-) In my previous message I said that the GPSDO had been running four days. I meant two days. It's late and I should be in bed. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Joe Gray KA5ZEC ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] Egg on Face (was EPE - GPS Frequency Reference Project)

2009-09-27 Thread Joe McElvenney
Hi, There's a subtle difference between 3rd phase detectors in the 74HC4046A (Philips/NXP, ON, TI) and the 74HC4046 (Fairchild, NS) The 3rd Phase detector in the 74HC4046A works as the designer intended in the GPSDO circuit, the 3rd phase detector in the 74HC4046 does not. The 74HC4046 uses

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
The old King Radio (then Bendix-King now part of Honeywell) Silver crown aircraft radios used 4046's in some of the synthesisers. The one in the VHF com had a different King part number to that in the ADF (MF direction finder). While trouble shooting we tried an ADF chip in a VHF (didn't have

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Margina design? ;) Better said, very poor design. Does not sound very good that same part, same lot code, sometimes work here but not there, sometimes does not work at all... Extending it a bit... sometimes will work at a given temperature, sometimes will not at a given other. Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 7:22 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: Margina design? ;) Better said, very poor design. Does not sound very good that same part, same lot code, sometimes work here but not there, sometimes does not work at all... Extending it a bit... sometimes will work at a

[time-nuts] Stanford Research SR620 Measurement Bias

2009-09-27 Thread Stan
I just acquired an SR620 that looks to be in excellent condition. I've noticed something in its operation and I'm not sure if it represents a problem, a calibration issue, or if it's just a feature. Yesterday, after letting the counter warm up for an hour, I calibrated the 10 MHz timebase and

Re: [time-nuts] 05061-6174 00105-6044

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Palmer
There's a bit of info on the 05061-6174 in the manual updates at the back of Part 3 of the 5065a manual that Brian Kirby uploaded to http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/ . Ed Christopher Hoover wrote: Anyone have schematics for the 05061-6174 00105-6044 boards? These are used to

Re: [time-nuts] RoHS Solder

2009-09-27 Thread Had
I, very much, have to agree with Rob. There is no place on this group for nation/political bashing. Had K7MLR At 10:56 AM 9/26/2009, you wrote: Dave, Your comments are both unwise, unnecessary, and downright rude to the many members of this group. As someone who was born in England,

Re: [time-nuts] 05061-6174 00105-6044

2009-09-27 Thread Ed Palmer
I'd be interested in getting that info. I have a 105B that uses a 00105-6100 assembly which consists of 00105-6044 and 05061-6165 boards. Ed ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: I have info on Part# 055061-6170 with boards 0561-6166 and 6165. Was replacement for the 105. Bert In a message dated

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Yes, of course, some applications needs the parts that are in the better side of the distribution curve for a particular parameter and for a particularly stringent application, as you mention :), but I think that a 4046 seems a part that should not have to be so critical that even in the same

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Francesco Ledda
The only portion of the device with possibly significant variability is the VCO. If the design does not take care of the VCO variability, for the capture range of the PLL; things may not work. If the device had a Phase-Frequency detector, instead of a phase detector, the capture range would not

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 9:54 AM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: Yes, of course, some applications needs the parts that are in the better side of the distribution curve for a particular parameter and for a particularly stringent application, as you mention :), but I think that a 4046 seems

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Javier Herrero
Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a commercial aircraft application, and the components selection was a lot less restringent than

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Robert Atkinson
I've started an interesting discussion! I don't know the details of King's selection process, it may have been that that batch would work in either application. Light aircraft avionics designs can be quite interesting. Older designs (I've not looked at any recent ones) would oftrn use chips

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Javier Herrero wrote: Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a commercial aircraft application, and the components selection was a lot

[time-nuts] Stanford Research SR620 Measurement Bias

2009-09-27 Thread Corby Dawson
Stan. Calibrating the units timebase per page 76 of the manual you can manually adjust the calbyte 4 word until the counter averages zero offset plus minus around the 5Mhz. You will still have the .0060 bias but it will plus and minus 30. Corby Dawson

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford Research SR620 Measurement Bias

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Corby, Corby Dawson wrote: Stan. Calibrating the units timebase per page 76 of the manual you can manually adjust the calbyte 4 word until the counter averages zero offset plus minus around the 5Mhz. You will still have the .0060 bias but it will plus and minus 30. This

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Bob Paddock
The part might look wrong without this information. One case was a 3.15A fuse in series with a 27R resistor at the 28V supply input. The fuse can never blow (no the aircraft didn't have 115V 400Hz supplies). The reason was a pater exercise to obtain intrinsic safety approval without formal

Re: [time-nuts] Stanford Research SR620 Measurement Bias

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Stan, Stan wrote: I just acquired an SR620 that looks to be in excellent condition. I've noticed something in its operation and I'm not sure if it represents a problem, a calibration issue, or if it's just a feature. Yesterday, after letting the counter warm up for an hour, I calibrated the 10

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 9/27/09 1:54 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Javier Herrero wrote: Yes, I'm also familiarized with space qualified EEE components, and lately I hear the word heritage more frequently that I would like ;) The only design I've made for aircraft electronics was for a

Re: [time-nuts] Simple questions on GPSDO

2009-09-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Joseph Gray wrote: From looking at the EFC graph, I assume that even after almost 48 hours, the GPSDO hasn't yet reached it's best performance (correct?). The PU at this time 3.4uS. I understand that this is a prediction for the next 24hrs if GPS lock is lost. The question is, what does the

Re: [time-nuts] 05061-6174 00105-6044

2009-09-27 Thread J. L. Trantham
I have the schematic of the 05061-6198 and 05061-6199 which are the power supply board for the 10811 and the frequency divider and amplifier used in the 5061B that essentially serves the same purpose, I think. The original 105B and 5061A used the same 5 MHz oscillator and the later 5061A's and

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 variations (was EPE GPS....)

2009-09-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Jim, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: Design AND component... Easy to claim heritage if all you do is change a resistor or a capacitor. Tougher to claim if you change the active components, particularly if it's functionally different (e.g. Substituting a 2n3904 for a 2n isn't a huge deal.. Changing