Re: [time-nuts] Function of cap to GND in isolation transformer circuit

2010-07-22 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
The way these caps are wired does not isolate DC from the transformer. The purpose is obviously a different one. Two reasons spring to mind: 1. If the caps are wired close to the connector, and Ground means the metal enclosure, then the caps provide RF continuity between cable shield and

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 07/22/2010 02:13 AM, Morris Odell wrote: The pendulum requires a sustaining system to compensate for the inevitable energy loss with each swing. The system is located in the building and therefore rotates relative to the pendulum. It needs to provide an impulse which does not affect the

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Flemming Larsen
The Exploratorium at The Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco had one of these, and may still have it. I haven't been there in a while and don't know the details.   Nuts Volts had a construction project for a continuously swinging pendulum in their September 2009 issue. It had a magnet at the

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Efratom and Datum are the same company. The LPRO is a staple on the e-place. The other common alternatives are Frequency Electronics, Symmetricom, and Tecelek (that's not the right spelling ...). I would stick with the LPRO since it's the cheapest of the bunch. They all perform pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/22/2010 01:58 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Efratom and Datum are the same company. The LPRO is a staple on the e-place. The other common alternatives are Frequency Electronics, Symmetricom, and Tecelek (that's not the right spelling ...). Tekelec/Temex/Spectratime

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:40:48PM -0400, Bob Bownes wrote: Silly me, I just realized you need to compensate for the change in length with temperature. You could use an Invar wire. This sounds like a great project! On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread David Martindale
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:57 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I remember one someplace in London too. Science Museum in South Kensington, I'd expect, but I've not been there 20+ years. Yes, they have one in one of their open multi-storey stairwells. If I remember correctly, the energy

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Matthew Kaufman
http://www.astro.louisville.edu/foucault/pendulum.pdf is one of the best references I have in my bookmarks. Matthew Kaufman ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

[time-nuts] Please send your paypal for PicTic II PCBs

2010-07-22 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Just tried to invoice the ones not paid yet but paypal doesn't allow enough time for me to complete the invoice and thinks it is OK to dump my work up to that point, note to self sell ebay stock short and use money to hire someone to do paperwork. The people in the EU / UK I wanted to ship at

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Morris: See: http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/pendulum_sales.html http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/pendspec.pdf they are not cheap, but a proven design and probably lower in cost than making just one of them. One of these was working at Foothill College in Los Altos

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Adrian
Brent, aside of the small and inexpensive module boxes, how 'bout a HP 5065A or a Rohde Schwarz XSRM? Both provide a lot more fun :) Adrian Brent Gordon schrieb: I'm considering buying a rubidium standard, not that I really need one, just because I'm a Time Nut. I have some questions on

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread jimlux
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:40:48PM -0400, Bob Bownes wrote: Silly me, I just realized you need to compensate for the change in length with temperature. You could use an Invar wire. Some insight from a friend (a proto-timenut) who was thinking about building a 1ppm free

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 72, Issue 72

2010-07-22 Thread Ronald Held
Jamie: Does the main game play correctly? Ronald On Jul 22, 2010 8:00 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Send time-nuts mailing list submissions to time-nuts@febo.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Richard W. Solomon
IIRC, there was a large one at Weston Observatory (Boston College). But, it has been 40+ years since I was last there. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Flemming Larsen oz...@yahoo.dk Sent: Jul 22, 2010 1:47 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Ed Palmer
One nice thing about the older Efratom standards like the FRK and M100 is that full schematics and circuit descriptions are available. They are easy to service because they're completely analog (no processor) and they're built with through-hole components, most of which are readily available

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If cost is no object, get one of each... The 5065 is a very different beast than the LPRO performance (and cost) wise. I've never played with a XSRM. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Thursday, July

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At $30K certainly not cheap. My guess is that the building modifications and permits will set you back a pretty significant chunk of money as well. The issue of troubleshooting a 6 story high machine in a public space (plus insurance issues) likely makes the proven design a much better

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/22/2010 04:51 PM, Adrian wrote: Brent, aside of the small and inexpensive module boxes, how 'bout a HP 5065A or a Rohde Schwarz XSRM? Both provide a lot more fun :) Talking about it... anybody has a an Allan dev plot fro the XSRM? I have one... but I can't recall that I have seen an

Re: [time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/22/2010 06:39 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If cost is no object, get one of each... The 5065 is a very different beast than the LPRO performance (and cost) wise. I've never played with a XSRM. The XSRM is a nice beast. First rubidium in the house. I now have three rubidiums and a cesium

[time-nuts] Magnavox GPS engine

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Bownes
Does anyone have any documentation on these GPS modules? I've been unable to determine anything other than Magnavox sold the line to Leica. They have a 20 pin header much like a Jupiter, but don't appear to be pin compatible. Thanks, Bob ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Magnavox GPS engine

2010-07-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: Like this: http://www.prc68.com/I/MX4102.shtml#4200 Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Bob Bownes wrote: Does anyone have any documentation on these GPS modules? I've been unable to determine anything other than Magnavox sold the line to Leica. They have a 20 pin header

Re: [time-nuts] Magnavox GPS engine

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Bownes
Unfortunately not. This is more of a Jupiter looking module with the classic 20 pin DIL header. Thanks tough! On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Bob: Like this: http://www.prc68.com/I/MX4102.shtml#4200 Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread J. Forster
How about putting a high voltage, high frequency on the bob and wire, so any body part that gets within say 2 feet draws giant arcs? :)) -John === Well, I thought it was interesting that a barrier was needed at least 3 feet away from the swing so that people would not grab the

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, I thought it was interesting that a barrier was needed at least 3 feet away from the swing so that people would not grab the cable. Can you imagine the effect of grabbing the cable with a 250 pound bob attached? I'd build one called Evolution in Action. Put a Poe-like blade on the bottom

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
Wouldn't that affect the path of the pendulum by interacting with the Earth's magnetic field? :) J. Forster wrote: How about putting a high voltage, high frequency on the bob and wire, so any body part that gets within say 2 feet draws giant arcs? :)) -John

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Don Latham
The Griffith Park exhibit did include a Tesla Coil. Hm... Don J. Forster How about putting a high voltage, high frequency on the bob and wire, so any body part that gets within say 2 feet draws giant arcs? :)) -John === Well, I thought it was interesting that a barrier

Re: [time-nuts] Magnavox GPS engine

2010-07-22 Thread bg
Hi Bob, Is this the ca 1991 GPS Engine by Magnavox? (board size approx 65 x 165 mm) There is some documentation available in this thesis: http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~cwilkins/thesis.tar.gz -- Björn Unfortunately not. This is more of a Jupiter looking module with the

Re: [time-nuts] Magnavox GPS engine

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Bownes
Sounds like it. I'll try to unroll the thesis and read it. Thanks! Bob On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM, b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Hi Bob, Is this the ca 1991 GPS Engine by Magnavox?  (board size approx 65 x 165 mm) There is some documentation available in this thesis:    

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-22 Thread Greg Dowd
I'm sure you're right. The Rb was a hardware option that was added after the original design so I wasn't paying much attention. I thought the chassis was different but may have just been longer than the stock 10.5 version? That chassis design was an experiment where we had an industrial design

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread mike cook
As a number of examples have been referenced in the reply to the original post, I will add a note on one of pendulums that Foucault himself constructed. Foucaults original experiments used shortish cables, but Napoleon wanted a more prestigeous affaire. It was originally installed by

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Bownes
 Unfortunately the cable reached its sell by date on the 18th May this year when it broke, dropping the ball on the marble floor , denting it. Most unfortunate. Denting the bob or the marble floor? :) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread mike cook
I thought that might have caused some confusion ;) . The bob, of course. I guess it can be replaced, but it is a shame that as a historical instrument, it could not have been better cared for. All is not lost though, as one of his smaller original pendulums is swinging in the Panthéon it

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I assume that was Napoleon III rather than the original (I'd hate to see the time-nuts list get banned by the French History Police). Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of mike cook Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Hal Murray
time-n...@kasperkp.dk said: As a kid, I did a self sustaining pendulum with no moving parts and no magnets: The bob was suspended by two parallel wires, lacquered together, and shorted at the bob end. As the bob passed over the center, a one-shot sent a good-sized current pulse through the

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-22 Thread Rob Kimberley
Thanks. Hope the Sym are treating you well! Give my regards to Ron. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Greg Dowd Sent: 22 July 2010 8:10 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
I also think so, but Time-nuts are nuts about attoseconds, not decades... ;-} Jean-Louis Oneto - Original Message - From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread jmfranke
Actually, I think you can find a time-nut for any span of time, sub-nanosecond to leap seconds, to leap years, to ... John WA4WDL -- From: Jean-Louis Oneto jean-louis.on...@obs-azur.fr Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:11 PM To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Oz-in-DFW
Hmmm. I thought time-nuts were nuts about time, with branch interests in accuracy, resolution, history... On 7/22/2010 6:24 PM, jmfranke wrote: Actually, I think you can find a time-nut for any span of time, sub-nanosecond to leap seconds, to leap years, to ... John WA4WDL

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/23/2010 01:54 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: Hmmm. I thought time-nuts were nuts about time, with branch interests in accuracy, resolution, history... History is nanoseconds ago. Recent history is picoseconds ago. Just now is femtoseconds ago. Fraction of mind ago is attoseconds ago. Acient

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Matthew Kaufman
Magnus Danielson wrote: On 07/23/2010 01:54 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: Hmmm. I thought time-nuts were nuts about time, with branch interests in accuracy, resolution, history... History is nanoseconds ago. Recent history is picoseconds ago. Just now is femtoseconds ago. Fraction of mind ago is

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Matthew, On 07/23/2010 02:15 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: On 07/23/2010 01:54 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: Hmmm. I thought time-nuts were nuts about time, with branch interests in accuracy, resolution, history... History is nanoseconds ago. Recent history is picoseconds ago.

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread J. Forster
E A Foucalt Pendulum is not about time! It's about motion in inertial space. -John === Matthew, On 07/23/2010 02:15 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: On 07/23/2010 01:54 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: Hmmm. I thought time-nuts were nuts about time, with branch

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Demian Martin
Another perspective on time: http://www.longnow.org/clock/ And some fascinating mechanical stuff. -Demian Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:11:04 +0200 From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest To:

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread jimlux
J. Forster wrote: E A Foucalt Pendulum is not about time! It's about motion in inertial space. are they not the same, underneath it all? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-22 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post. This is a wonderful group of talented and erudite people and it was a pleasure to read the posts (and private emails) on the subject of the Foucault pendulum. Where else could the discussion range over timekeeping, mechanical