Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-30 Thread paul swed
So on a 60 khz signal the long strip chart recorder is simply a super long low pass filter averaging out the doppler somewhat. It really doesn't do that well. The mark-1 eyeball does a better job. Right? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Geoff vk2...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-30 Thread J. Forster
Partly. There are hourly jogs in the WWVB signal and also diurnal shifts of the order of a cycle at 60 KHz. The Fluke receivers havs a counter for microseconds, but it's difficult to intrerpret w/o the stripchart too. Frankly, 60 KHz is a PITA IMO. Oh for LORAN! -John == So on a

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-30 Thread Neville Michie
The strip chart recorder is, of course, a hangover of days when data- logging could not be done digitally. However I still plot the results out from a data logger or time stamped data so I can see what is happening. The scatter of adjacent readings shows the noise and measurement uncertainty,

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-30 Thread paul swed
Oh indeed I agree John. LORAN has spoiled me also at least till nov I hear. The Canadians are a drop better then us at saving the system. I am definitely figuring out the old ways and can't say that I like it all that much. Always have gps for the moment. On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM, J.

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-30 Thread Chuck Harris
The November deadline on the shared stations that hold positions in both the US and Canadian Loran chains is to allow operation to continue in Canada until they close their system... in November. -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: Oh indeed I agree John. LORAN has spoiled me also at least till nov

[time-nuts] FOR SALE:(2) Brandywine GPS-4 Unit - $300ea SHIPPED!

2010-07-30 Thread Scott A Sybert
Hi Everyone, Two more GPS-4 units have surfaced. They are new-old-stock. These units were all new, never used. They were mounted to a PCB as part of an assembly but never put into service. I'm asking $300ea for the last two units, shipped to your door. Anywhere in the continental US.

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-30 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Bruce, To confirm the buffer settling time measurements were made on two cascaded TS272 2x gain stages on a solderless breadboard using 10k resistors on first stage and 100k resistors with 2.5v offset correction on second stage similar to the PICTIC II buffer arrangement. The input was stepped

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There's a couple ways to do this: One is to actually measure the 1:1000 or 1:4000 voltage settling involved. That's tough on most scopes. You can set up to do it if your TEK 7000 plug in collection is large enough. The other is to look at the observed time constants and come up with a number