Re: [time-nuts] alkali metals and water

2011-03-03 Thread Irene Meyer
There's also sodium-potassium alloy (NaK), which has rather interesting properties--liquid at room temperature, spontaneous superoxide formation with air--and was used as a coolant in some nuclear reactors. -- Irene On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:52:55AM +, Robert Atkinson wrote: Hmm, Anyone

Re: [time-nuts] alkali metals and water

2011-03-03 Thread NeonJohn
On 03/03/2011 02:52 AM, Robert Atkinson wrote: Hmm, Anyone else remember Sodium-Sulphur secondary batteries? they were proposed for electric vehicles in the late 70's I rode on a prototype at Chloride. You have to heat them up to melt both the Sodium and the Sulphur to make them work (about

[time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
Months ago a bought an old Delorme Tripmate for $5 (for that price, why not?). Tonight I finally got around to fooling with it. After finding out that it was designed to talk only to Delorme software without some finagling, I got it to spit out NMEA data to Teraterm and other programs. I

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Said Jackson
Hello Joe, The gps probably has not finished receiving the entire almanac, and is guessing the number of leapseconds. The offset may go away after the almanac has been received. This can take up to 12.5 minutes. It is a design flaw in the gps spec in my opinion, they could have transmitted

Re: [time-nuts] worst case jitter of PTP (IEEE1588) derived clock?

2011-03-03 Thread Javier Serrano
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Chris Caudle ch...@chriscaudle.org wrote: Has anyone found reference which derives the worst case clock jumps to expect when using PTP (IEEE1588-2008) and how to derive a phase noise spectrum from that? As Magnus says, this is highly dependent on

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
Said, I suspected it might have something to do with the almanac. The Tripmate has been on now for 100 minutes, but has not been able to track four satellites during that entire time. Does the GPS need to track at least four satellites continuously during the 12.5 minutes it takes to download

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
I suspected it might have something to do with the almanac. The Tripmate has been on now for 100 minutes, but has not been able to track four satellites during that entire time. Does the GPS need to track at least four satellites continuously during the 12.5 minutes it takes to download the

Re: [time-nuts] alkali metals and water

2011-03-03 Thread Mike S
At 11:40 PM 3/2/2011, jimlux wrote... On 3/2/11 8:21 PM, Mike S wrote: At 08:43 AM 3/2/2011, jimlux wrote... You know, elements we love, Rb, Cs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCk0lYB_8c0 Totally safe for work.. (my daughters turned me on to this video, they saw it in their 8th grade

[time-nuts] Efratom VRFS manual for download

2011-03-03 Thread GandalfG8
Thanks again to the generosity of Rob Kimberley who provided the original, I have upoladed a scan of the manual for the Efratom VRFS rubidium frequency standard to Rapidshare. The VRFS is a VXIbus module that contains an Efratom FRS rubidium standard plus the associated electronics to

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom VRFS manual for download

2011-03-03 Thread Had
Nigel, Thanks for the manual post. I'll get it on the to-way.com site later today. Hadleu K7MLR At 06:55 AM 3/3/2011, you wrote: Thanks again to the generosity of Rob Kimberley who provided the original, I have upoladed a scan of the manual for the Efratom VRFS rubidium frequency standard

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom VRFS manual for download

2011-03-03 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 03/03/2011 15:57:37 GMT Standard Time, h...@to-way.com writes: Thanks for the manual post. I'll get it on the to-way.com site later today. - That's great, thank you. regards Nigel GM8PZR ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] worst case jitter of PTP (IEEE1588) derived clock?

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In a real network you may have multiple switches and a lot of variable traffic. Your noise is coming from many sources. You make some high level choices in terms of sample rate. Without pretty exact information, you are going to have a hard time coming up with a useful answer. Data with box

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Said Jackson
Hi Joe, One way to prevent this issue is to make sure you have a good battery in the unit to keep an almanac copy in SRAM.. Try putting the unit outside with a clear sky view. Btw: the error usually depends on when the gps firmware was compiled, as the manufacturer hard-codes the number of

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Said Jackson
Hi Hal, The almanac is helpful, but not required to track sats. Only the ephemeris info is needed, which is repeated every 30+ seconds or so if I remember correctly, which is why modern receivers can be locked in as little as 36 seconds or less from cold start without almanac or assistance

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi This stuff is obviously on the fast track to somewhere. There is no practical way to come up with the information needed in the time allowed. There's a train wreck out there in somebody's future. Has anybody seen an actual map of where they plan to deploy all 40,000 these 1.5KW transmitters?

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Chuck Harris
Tunnels wouldn't be such a great thing, as many of them have GPS transponders built in so that you can continue tracking as you pass through the tunnel. The administration has made it a major priority to bring broadband internet to everyone's Crackberry It looks like they are going to do it

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for last mile connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the case, you loose all sorts of GPS

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Tom Holmes
Maybe we should alarm the environmentalists about the 60 MW load being added to the power grid. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:10 PM

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
Who is Lightsquared ? http://www.lightsquared.com/about-us/management-team/ Executive Vice President, Regulatory Affairs and Public Policy Jeffrey J. Carlisle From 2001 to 2005, Jeff served as Deputy Chief and then Chief of the FCC's Wireline Competition Bureau. At the FCC, he managed And

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
Forget .. in the nlpc article How Phil Falcone ensured a suitably flexible FCC pretty much sums it up 1. visit white house 2. make maximum contributes (you, your wife and your boss) a couple days later 3. get the go ahead from the FCC An just to ensure it is totally bipartisan, make sure you

[time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Murray Greenman
Many older GPS units sending NMEA at 4800 baud will in effect indicate one second slow, either all the time or some of the time, if there are too many GPS sentences turned on. There's too much data in the queue. Either drop the number of sentences enabled, or increase the baud rate, or both.

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Robert Atkinson
What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could of course use

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Urban canyons do indeed exist and there are a lot of them. As you look for smaller and smaller ones, you obviously find a lot more of them. Other services have the same issue and they can economically justify a few thousand transmitters to cover these holes. These guys are going for 10X what

Re: [time-nuts] alkali metals and water

2011-03-03 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Robert: The military BA-5590/U primary battery uses a Lithium Sulfur Dioxide chemistry where the Sulfur Dioxide is under something like 4 atmospheres of pressure. The newer BB-2590/U is a Lithium Ion rechargeable battery. There are many videos of what happens to them when punctured.

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
I've got three of them one was $1 at a g'sale. -pete got to stop buying this crap .. never On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Months ago a bought an old Delorme Tripmate for $5 (for that price, why not?). Tonight I finally got around to fooling with it. After

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Tom Holmes
Joe... Any tips on how you set it up to get those messages? Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:07 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
Tom, Using a real PC serial port which sets DTR, you just need to send the string ASTRAL to the Tripmate. Then it will start sending NMEA data to the PC. For a mod which takes care of DTR and feeds ASTRAL back to selfstart the Tripmate, look here:

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Joseph Gray
I turned off all sentences except RMC. It is still showing about 2s behind UTC. This model was made in the mid 90's. How many leap seconds have we had since? Joe Gray W5JG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread David VanHorn
This might help: http://leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:29 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread jimlux
On 3/3/11 9:34 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There's obviously major fuel behind this thing. I'm willing to pass up GPS underground. It's GPS out in the open that is my main concern. IF they are going to use this for last mile connect to homes it will indeed be everywhere and anywhere. IF that's the

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Jim Cotton
The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers and assume that they and Lightsquared will lobby effectively and everyone will be forced to buy new GPS units... There is precedent in that, the DTV converter box vouchers... Jim Cotton n8qoh On 3/3/11 3:09 PM, jimlux wrote: On 3/3/11

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Chuck Harris
As it has been said, if the Federal government can force you to buy health insurance, or pay a fine, it can force you to buy *anything*. This is, however, getting a little too far afield for this group. -Chuck Harris Jim Cotton wrote: The other scenerio is buy stock in the leading GPS makers

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Hal Murray
jg...@zianet.com said: I turned off all sentences except RMC. It is still showing about 2s behind UTC. This model was made in the mid 90's. How many leap seconds have we had since? Dec 2008 Dec 2005 Dec 1998 Jun 1997 Dec 1995 Jun 1994 Jun 1994 Jun 1992 Dec 1990 From the table on the right

[time-nuts] KO4BB.com back on line (OT)

2011-03-03 Thread Didier Juges
Sorry for the OT, but I know a lot of time-nuts subscribers use my site, so I wanted to make sure you know what happened. My site was infected by malware on March 1st. Google reported my site as infected and sent me an email around 11:00 AM CST. Several people notified me in the afternoon and

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino Thunderbolt GPS

2011-03-03 Thread Didier Juges
James, The data stream is not that difficult to decode. You can look at the source code for my GPSMonitor project: http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:gps_monitor Didier KO4BB On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:37 PM, James Fournier ja...@jfits.ca wrote: Hello All, Has any one

[time-nuts] 1/2 OT:Radio Navigation

2011-03-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
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Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Based on some *very* rough Google stuff, it looks like you can cover a good chunk of the US with cell towers and only use 100,000 to 200,000 towers. Since they are a 30 watt-ish sort of thing, their RF footprint is likely a lot smaller than a 1.5 KW setup. Even if the power increase only

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread cook michael
The problem will probably resolve itself when the first idiot to lose his GPS at a T junction drives into the deli across the street as he/she was not told to take a turn. The driver will sue for denial of service and 50 million other Americans will jump on board the class action. Le

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Robert wrote: What gets me (I'm an outsider in the UK), is that they seem to have used the excuse of Urban Canyon lack of space based broadband to hi-jack the frequencies for ground use. What's the betting 99% of the traffic is ground based, not space? Even though the Urban Canyonites could

Re: [time-nuts] KO4BB.com back on line (OT)

2011-03-03 Thread lists
ftp passwords go out over the internet unencrypted. To get around this, use a secure ftp. On windows, use winscp. For linux, gftp. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA time off

2011-03-03 Thread Tom Holmes
Thanks, Joe! Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:02 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Jim Cotton jim.cot...@wmich.edu wrote: From: Jim Cotton jim.cot...@wmich.edu Subject: Re: [time-nuts] latest on the