Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
El 28/01/2012 00:17, claudio.gira...@virgilio.it escribió: Hello John, thanks for maintaining the 5680A FAQ; regarding its frequency resolution, have you checked the DDS FSELECT pin (and maybe also PSEL0/1) to see if they are doing some kind of dithering of the DDS frequency ? I've just checked

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
El 27/01/2012 19:27, beale escribió: I added a bit to the electronics section of the FE-5680A FAQ as below. http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:fe5680a_faq#electronic (Note- until today, I had the 8 and 6 digits transposed, calling it the fe5860a. But no one noticed

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
And I think it depends on the two frequencies loaded too. The FSELECT selects between two phase accumulator steps. Maybe the word sent to the Rb is manipulated to obtain two symmetric values to load. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.eswrote: El 27/01/2012

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Windows app for FE5680 info dump

2012-01-28 Thread Rob Kimberley
Symantec just doesn't like .EXE files from unknown sources. You could try Zipping it first Rob Kimberley. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham Sent: 28 January 2012 01:48 To: 'Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-28 Thread aartmolsen
The star catalog specifically designed for lunar occultations is the XZ (I'm guessing it stands for eXtended Zodiacal) Catalog from the US Naval Observatory. It's based on the earlier ZC and covers the band of brighter stars that can be occulted by the moon. Simbad should have these catalogs.

[time-nuts] Lady Heather with older f/w TB

2012-01-28 Thread Don @ True-Cal
LH TB experts, I have three Thunderbolts bought over several years. My older unit Mfg: 29-Sept-2000 has f/w 2.12 and besides working flawlessly providing 10Mhz and PPS references, one annoying issue is that this unit has three LH (ver. 3.00 beta) display fields that are obviously not

Re: [time-nuts] Manuals or info on Lucent RTFG's

2012-01-28 Thread Brad Stockdale
All, Thank you all for the information on what to look for with FE-5680A's and related standards. I've been watching eBay the past few days and I think I'll be able to get two or three in the next couple days. I saw a set of ten for $349.00 which looked like a good deal... But I decided

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
It can be... but the resolution of the center frequency of two DDS frequencies would be limited to half DDS LSB... so not enough. I will try to monitor FSELECT and also to extract some SPI data if I found some free time today or tomorrow :) Regards, Javier, EA1CRB El 28/01/2012 15:35,

[time-nuts] FTL neutrinos or timing error - where did the energy come from

2012-01-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
The January 28th Science News has an editorial by Tom Siegfried that points out that neutrinos were predicted to conserve the energy in radioactive beta decay. The OPERA results show unbalanced energy in the other direction. The pions that decay and create neutrinos do not have enough energy to

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
Only to note that I measured at the wrong place... the reference frequency to the DDS is 20MHz, not 10MHz as I stated :) Regards, Javier, EA1CRB El 28/01/2012 15:21, Javier Herrero escribió: El 27/01/2012 19:27, beale escribió: I added a bit to the electronics section of the FE-5680A FAQ

[time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread ed breya
The lower bits can be pulse width modulated to get finer resolution, but it gets harder to maintain monotonicity. Eventually you run out of processing resolution, or the control signal falls into the noise floor, whether the system is digital, analog, or both. Ed Javier Herrero wrote: Sat

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
I've checked now that they do not seem to be any activity on the DDS SPI lines during normal operation. I've tried with several small offsets through the serial port, and the square wave at FSELECT seems to be same square, no appreciable duty cycle variation. Regards, Javier El 28/01/2012

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A FAQ update: question about frequency synthesizer architecture

2012-01-28 Thread Javier Herrero
Another though... The FE5680A manual says that the most basic unit outputs 50.255+ MHz (1/136 the Rb oscillation frequency). I suppose that this is the other style of units, that uses a 50.255MHz crystal to excite the cavity. 50.255MHz/2^48 is 1.785416^-7Hz, the claimed resolution for these

Re: [time-nuts] eBay FE-5680A

2012-01-28 Thread Brad Stockdale
All, I am getting ready to order a few FE-5680A's from eBay and I noticed that all of the sellers are from Asia. Is this typically the case or are there some US based sellers? The reason I ask is because I'm always leery of buying things that ship from Asia. I've ordered stuff twice from

Re: [time-nuts] eBay FE-5680A

2012-01-28 Thread Richard W. Solomon
That's the beauty of e-Pay ... you pays your money and you takes your chances. However, I was only stung once by a far east seller and since I used PayPal, I got a full refund. Only cost to me was wasted time. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Brad Stockdale b...@shinji.net

Re: [time-nuts] eBay FE-5680A

2012-01-28 Thread Peter Gottlieb
My experience, and it seems that of others on this group, has been good. Peter On Jan 28, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Brad Stockdale b...@shinji.net wrote: All, I am getting ready to order a few FE-5680A's from eBay and I noticed that all of the sellers are from Asia. Is this typically the case

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-28 Thread Neville Michie
Surely the proximity of the Moon to the surface of the Earth makes the timing of an occultation dependent on where you are on the Earth's surface. (Parallax error) The calculations to correct for this must make it a mathematicians picnic. Nevil Maskelyne, tormentor of John Harrison, advocated

[time-nuts] Service manual or schematic for Option 21 DVM in HP5328?

2012-01-28 Thread Chris Albertson
Has anyone seen a sevice manual or a schematic for the HP-5328A Option 21 DVM. I have the 5328A service manual but it says the DVM Option 21 is covered in a separate manual. Without a schematic debugging could take a long time as the DVM is spread over three plug-in boards. Thanks, Chris

Re: [time-nuts] Service manual or schematic for Option 21 DVM in HP5328?

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Curlee
Chris: The theory of operation, along with the usual block diagrams, schematics, etc, for the OPT 021 for the 5328B is in the 5328B service manual.  It may be the same, or at least close enough to, the 5328A.  It's worth a try.  You can download the 5328B manual here: 

Re: [time-nuts] Service manual or schematic for Option 21 DVM in HP5328?

2012-01-28 Thread Chris Albertson
Tom, Thanks. Turns out the unit I have looks just like a 5328B. Even if it says A. The photos match the cards.That is once complex volt meter but will be worth it if I can get it working HP claims 0.03% accuracy and a uV to KV range. Chris On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Tom Curlee

[time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-28 Thread Ray Xu
Hi guys I'm planning to build a GPSDO to use as a frequency ref for my GHz ventures. I've done research in what other people have built - but I have no experience working with long-term precision/stability products (nor do I have the equipment to do so -- I think). I'm using the Jupiter T (the

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-28 Thread Erno Peres
Hi Ray, please find on this link the info what you are looking for. http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From: Ray Xu rayxu...@gmail.com To: time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 7:51 am Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Building a GPSDO trouble using Jupiter-T

2012-01-28 Thread Tom Curlee
Ray: I used a similar circuit to lock my 10 GHz LO to GPS.  I used a similar Jupiter GPS board receiver (not the 'T' version).  My 10 GHz LO is one of the older Microwave Associates brick type of oscillators.  It has an internal 106.5 crystal oscillator that is in a crude oven.  The 106.5 is