Re: [time-nuts] An interesting freq counter

2012-05-01 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 02:46 01-05-12, you wrote: that is awesome! with Transistorized Binary Unit and up to 1.1 megacycles. wow! Hand made, one by one, on Veroboard... sigh... Marco IK1ODO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] An interesting freq counter

2012-05-01 Thread Rob Kimberley
The good old days. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: 30 April 2012 23:05 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] An interesting freq counter With a rather freaky display that I have never

[time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, I just powered on again my trimble thunderbolt after some time without antenna. All alarms are green but the obvious leap second pending. BUT: I can't use UTC time as both tboltmon and lady heather display a No UTC offset message. I don't remember having seen this in the past. What's

Re: [time-nuts] An interesting freq counter

2012-05-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/05/12 11:37, Rob Kimberley wrote: The good old days. :-) My oldest counter has neon lamps behind a line of 0-9 numbers on each column. It goes to 230 KC. It has the high-stability option rather than dividing down 50 Hz to 10 Hz in the phanta-stron divider (pot on the back side to

[time-nuts] Ashtech 3DF GPS

2012-05-01 Thread Stan
On more or less of a whim, I found and bought an Ashtech 3DF GPS. The interesting thing about this particular GPS is that it uses four separate GPS antennas mounted in a diamond pattern about 1 meter on a side and can compute not only the usual stuff, but also heading, roll, and pitch angles. I

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech 3DF GPS

2012-05-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
According to this: cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?80010 it seems that this GPS uses carrier phase tracking... it seems interesting. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Stan swp...@earthlink.net wrote: On more or less of a whim, I found and bought an Ashtech 3DF GPS. The interesting thing about

[time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello The Net: LORAN signals are still being received at a 89700 microsecond GRI. I concur with others that there is only one station transmitting the master(M) and the slave(X) signals. My SRS FS-700 Rx shows equal received signal strength for both signals. Reports indicate the transmitter is

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech 3DF GPS

2012-05-01 Thread bg
Hi Stan, On more or less of a whim, I found and bought an Ashtech 3DF GPS. The interesting thing about this particular GPS is that it uses four separate GPS antennas mounted in a diamond pattern about 1 meter on a side and can compute not only the usual stuff, but also heading, roll, and

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread J. Forster
Antenna envy! -John = Hello The Net: LORAN signals are still being received at a 89700 microsecond GRI. I concur with others that there is only one station transmitting the master(M) and the slave(X) signals. My SRS FS-700 Rx shows equal received signal strength for both

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1158.12.6.201.135.1335885236.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: Next step is to lock up the signal on an oscope, triggered by an accurate 11.148272 KHz signal ( reciprocal of 89700microsec). A HP5359A is great trigger-source for that. -- Poul-Henning Kamp |

Re: [time-nuts] Ashtech 3DF GPS

2012-05-01 Thread Rob Kimberley
These are specifically for attitude determination in mobile environments. Not sure how good they would be for timing though. I remember seeing something from Trimble a few years back which did similar. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Rob Kimberley
I should say so!! Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: 01 May 2012 16:14 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C Antenna envy! -John =

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello PHK, I will use a HP-3336C with the station 10 MHz (GPS/DO) reference. Typo: trigger should really be 11.148272 Hz instead of KHz ! Stan, W1LE On 5/1/2012 11:27 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message1158.12.6.201.135.1335885236.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes:

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4fa006e8.5040...@verizon.net, Stan, W1LE writes: I will use a HP-3336C with the station 10 MHz (GPS/DO) reference. Typo: trigger should really be 11.148272 Hz instead of KHz ! You need a really amazing stable and noise-free trigger to lock onto a 5.5Hz (see below) sine at the

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread J. Forster
I use a 1.000 MHz crystal oscillator module and a Tek DD501. It produces 1 pulse every (preset count-1) of input cycles. Triggering a scope is trivial. -John = In message 4fa006e8.5040...@verizon.net, Stan, W1LE writes: I will use a HP-3336C with the station 10 MHz (GPS/DO)

[time-nuts] Cs beam cavity: why is it U shaped?

2012-05-01 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, For some time now, i'm wondering why the microwave cavity of Cs beam standards is U shaped. Ie why does the Cs beam fly first trough the first subcavity, leaves it, flies a substantial length trough free space, passes the second subcavity and then goes to the detector. If the interaction

[time-nuts] (Humor) - Maybe they need some time nuts..

2012-05-01 Thread Don Barr
85 minutes in that hour... http://www.taylorusa.com/dual-event-timer-clock.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Cs beam cavity: why is it U shaped?

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
The U shape is called the Ramsey Cavity: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1989/ramsey-lecture.pdf /tvb - Original Message - From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Cs beam cavity: why

Re: [time-nuts] (Humor) - Maybe they need some time nuts..

2012-05-01 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Metric minutes. On 05/01/12, Don Barrdon.b...@gmail.com wrote: 85 minutes in that hour... [1]http://www.taylorusa.com/dual-event-timer-clock.html ___ time-nuts mailing list -- [2]time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The upstream time source may or may not be very good. Since it's PCS at 1.9 GHz and not 900 MHz CDMA, the carriers have a lot of wiggle room. You can go in and fiddle which signal it tracks. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread Hal Murray
francesco.messi...@gmail.com said: I just powered on again my trimble thunderbolt after some time without antenna. All alarms are green but the obvious leap second pending. BUT: I can't use UTC time as both tboltmon and lady heather display a No UTC offset message. I don't remember having

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Hal, On 5/1/12, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: francesco.messi...@gmail.com said: I just powered on again my trimble thunderbolt after some time without antenna. All alarms are green but the obvious leap second pending. BUT: I can't use UTC time as both tboltmon and lady

Re: [time-nuts] Cs beam cavity: why is it U shaped?

2012-05-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Attila, On 05/01/2012 06:47 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, For some time now, i'm wondering why the microwave cavity of Cs beam standards is U shaped. Ie why does the Cs beam fly first trough the first subcavity, leaves it, flies a substantial length trough free space, passes the second

Re: [time-nuts] Cs beam cavity: why is it U shaped?

2012-05-01 Thread Rick Karlquist
The tube is like an interferometer. Think of two telescopes spaced apart x meters. It has the resolving power of an x meter diameter telescope. It doesn't have the light gathering power of an x meter telescope. There is sufficient RF power to flip the state of all the Cs atoms, so additional

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread SAIDJACK
Incorrect, the UTC offset should be sent in the Almanac, the Almanac having a period of 12.5 minutes max. Not one hour. It should take no more than 12.5 minutes to get the UTC offset when sats are properly being received. bye, Said In a message dated 5/1/2012 11:45:06 Pacific Daylight

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread Mark Spencer
The problem is I don't have the software for the unit, but based on the behaviour of the alarm and status led's I'm confident it is locked. The symmetricom site may have the software but I would need to agree to an eula prior to downloading which I don't want to do with my work account. So

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Mark, you could connect the Fury 1PPS output to the 1PPS external sync input of the PRS-10 Rb and let is self-discipline to GPS. Set the Fury 1PPS jumper JP4 to raw-1PPS (pins 2 and 3), and that will make the Fury GPSDO generate the raw 1PPS signal from the Motorola GPS receiver

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
On 5/1/12, saidj...@aol.com saidj...@aol.com wrote: Incorrect, the UTC offset should be sent in the Almanac, the Almanac having a period of 12.5 minutes max. Not one hour. It should take no more than 12.5 minutes to get the UTC offset when sats are properly being received. when I posted my

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello PHK, Thanks for the tips. I have not done this yet, so I am creeping along. I also have a 33120A with the the option 001 for using an external reference. Sounds like the arbitrary signal capability is the way to go, If I can not find an appropriate 2100/2100F output. Thanks Stan,

Re: [time-nuts] (Humor) - Maybe they need some time nuts..

2012-05-01 Thread J. Forster
PhotoShop. -John === Metric minutes. On 05/01/12, Don Barrdon.b...@gmail.com wrote: 85 minutes in that hour... [1]http://www.taylorusa.com/dual-event-timer-clock.html ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread shalimr9
From memory, the UTC offset is part of the Supplemental data packet that is sent every second by default. Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date:

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
The UTC offset is in words 6-10, page 18, subframe 4 -- every 12.5 minutes. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] FEI-Zyfer

2012-05-01 Thread Mike Seguin N1JEZ
Anyone have a manual for an FEI-Zyfer Nanosync II? It's listed on their website, but clicking on the link throws up a 404 error Tnx, Mike A closed mouth gathers no feet ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/01/2012 10:30 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: The UTC offset is in words 6-10, page 18, subframe 4 -- every 12.5 minutes. It was added to the broadcast signal as an after-thought, as a separate upgrade package if you wish. At least back then, I believe they had USNO to measure the GPS time and

Re: [time-nuts] FEI-Zyfer

2012-05-01 Thread Mike Seguin N1JEZ
Hi guys, I was able to simply register at the site then had access to another file are that had info on the Nanosync II and their monitor software. Mike - Original Message - From: Mike Seguin N1JEZ n1...@burlingtontelecom.net Subject: [time-nuts] FEI-Zyfer Anyone have a manual

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2012-05-01 Thread paul swed
I have not been able to do anything work and a strong investment in time in plumbing this week. Hey you have to fix'em occasionally. Regards Paul. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: Hello PHK, Thanks for the tips. I have not done this yet, so I am creeping

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
I am playing around with a OT-20 Office Time that I pulled out of a dumpster some time ago. I've only just powered it up last weekend and it without an antenna will illuminate its CDMA green status LED in about 10 minutes. I've not tried an antenna or hooked up a terminal to its serial port.

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread paul swed
Thought the cdma signals were all gone. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.comwrote: I am playing around with a OT-20 Office Time that I pulled out of a dumpster some time ago. I've only just powered it up last weekend and it without an antenna will illuminate

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom TimeSource 2700

2012-05-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi CDMA is very much alive and kicking in the US. Bob On May 1, 2012, at 7:00 PM, paul swed wrote: Thought the cdma signals were all gone. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.comwrote: I am playing around with a OT-20 Office Time that I pulled out of a

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt no UTC offset

2012-05-01 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 2 May, 2012, at 04:30 , Tom Van Baak wrote: The UTC offset is in words 6-10, page 18, subframe 4 -- every 12.5 minutes. /tvb The leap second warning is also in the same place. How the unit could know that a leap second is pending but not know the UTC offset is a mystery. Dennis Ferguson

Re: [time-nuts] Sw for pm6680B

2012-05-01 Thread Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)
Hi Nigel, Magnus, Bjorn the Gang, Thanks for all your replies to my initial message, I appreciate very much. I downloaded the lastest version of TimeLab and will try it soon, I just tested the counter against my 5370B and my different Rubidium sources. Nigel, if you're referring to the 6680B