Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-14 Thread Bob Stewart
OK, that explains your comment.  This is most likely a silicone based potting compound.  It's a bit softer than an eraser when cold.  Very little of it was actually stuck to the board or components.  If it had been a hard, epoxy-based covering, I wouldn't have bothered with it. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-14 Thread Charles Steinmetz
John wrote: All other things being equal, it's desirable to minimize the time spent in that region of the waveform. It doesn't necessarily hurt to choose a faster logic family, as long as the process noise and device gain are otherwise compatible with the decision. Random jitter on the 7.5

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-14 Thread Chuck Harris
I thought the context did a pretty good job of explaining it, but if it did not, I am sorry. Epoxy potting compound is a lot easier to remove than the silicone RTV based varieties... Although the silicone variety starts out soft, it is not crumbly. The epoxy sort loses its cohesiveness with its

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-14 Thread Tom Holmes
Hi Magnus... Being one of John's over-engineering friends, I can safely tell you that his comment is made with tongue firmly in cheek. But we do have fun doing things that way! And of course the performance of our designs seldom matters; we're just having fun. Tom Holmes, N8ZM -Original

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-14 Thread Al Wolfe
Chuck, Very sorry, assumed you meant for operation. This makes perfect sense for deconstruction purposes. My bad. Al. k9si Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:18:14 -0400 From: Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com No, I meant exactly what I said. When you are removing epoxy potting compound, put it

Re: [time-nuts] Mini-time lab cost and maintenance

2015-04-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
And as Tom pointed out, to be confident that your e-10 oscillator has not drifted beyond e-10, you will need some means of periodically comparing it to a better standard (which could be GPS or WWV, or a better local standard such as a cesium or hydrogen maser source). This will require

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO disciplining algorithms

2015-04-14 Thread Alan Ambrose
Hi all, Thanks for the interesting feedback everyone, and thanks Attila, for your specific references - some reading ahead. In principle, I should be able to remember all the stochastic / standard control theory, but I'm sure I'll have to 're-remember' it. An interesting point re 3 use-cases

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rick, On 04/13/2015 11:03 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 4/13/2015 12:14 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Oh yes. Some people say that you should not overcomplex things. My experience is that oversimplifying them can cause a long stretch of complex problems and complex workarounds making

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO disciplining algorithms

2015-04-14 Thread Hal Murray
csteinm...@yandex.com said: There are two regimes a GPSDO must deal with -- normal operation, and holdover. Is there a 3rd regime: Recovery from holdover? How many GPSDOs even spec what they do in that area? They may do it indirectly by reference to Telco spec . What do the

Re: [time-nuts] Ultra High Stability Time Base Options for 53132A

2015-04-14 Thread John Allen
Hi folks - Just one note about ECL. It was intentionally designed for slow rise-time. That was a feature that improved signal integrity in the 70's when board designers had no clue. I am mostly referring to MECL 10K. MECL III had faster rise-times. John K1AE, ECL designer at DEC in the

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO disciplining algorithms

2015-04-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi To add a bit to the “mind numbing details” list: The main market for GPSDO’s has traditionally been cell sites. Essential all of the GPSDO’s that one sees on eBay these days originally went into one or another aspect of a cell site or radio system. The need there is for a rated level of

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO disciplining algorithms

2015-04-14 Thread Chris Albertson
I think a GPSDO is different from GPS disciplining. In a GPSDO you are disciplining a local oscillator, not a GPS system. Algorithms used to discipline oscillators are also used and were developed for other uses. For example it is common to use a PID to discipline a local oscillator. The PID