Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 05/26/2007 10:51 PM: I don't know how many time nuts are interested in this but you need to realize that the first hint that the Earth itself was an unstable timekeeper came, not from quartz or atomic oscillators, but from these astronomical pendulum clocks.

Re: [time-nuts] FMT

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Connie, My life has been a little complicated lately, but it will settle eventually :-) I was surprised to be so close just by ear. 20m was hard because of QSB, but 40 and 80 were good, with strong and stable signals. I have Spectrum Lab installed on this new to me laptop, so next week

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hi Said, private international shipment and customs is not that problematic to my knowledge and experience, at least between the USA and Europe. On Sat, 26 May 2007 20:39:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rick, on the customs issue, you may have to check the items against the

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
For the same reason that a satellite in free fall is still subject to gravitational forces, so do objects in Lagrange points. These points represent areas where the centrifugal forces compensate for gravity from two objects instead of one for a regular satellite. The only way to be free from

[time-nuts] HP-5328A Manuals / Schematics

2007-05-27 Thread Tom Clifton
I'm wanting to work on the divider chain to incease the gate time from 10 seconds up to something much longer forr increased resolution. Are these on-line somewhere? Tom in St. Louis Choose the right

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Didier, gravitational forces, so do objects in Lagrange points. These points represent areas where the centrifugal forces compensate for gravity I am almost sure that this will again produce me a lot of trouble in answering a lot of people but the idea that there are centrifugal forces

[time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
My mention of Alfred Loomis prompted me to get the book out and I found this quote (p. 70 of the hardcover edition): Loomis would remain a time nut for the rest of his life, according to Luis Alvarez, who recalled that Loomis always wore two Accutrons -- one on his right wrist and one on his

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: [...]and if one was gaining a half second on the other, he would wear it on the outside of his wrist instead of the inside, so that gravity changed the rate of the tuning fork [...] I'd expect that the author got this wrong, it would be

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Daun Yeagley
No, that is correct. The Accutron has a predictable position error, gaining or loosing a couple of seconds a day depending on whether the tines of the fork are pointing up or down. (gravity effects!). They are calibrated depending on whether it is worn on the inside or outside of the wrist, or

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Bill Beam
On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:42:17 +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Ackermann N8UR writes: [...]and if one was gaining a half second on the other, he would wear it on the outside of his wrist instead of the inside, so that gravity changed the rate of the tuning fork

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Mike Feher
Tom - So, on an average, you each had one :). - Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 3:31 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread Peter Vince
Hi Rick, If I'm not too late, I would also like one - or preferably two. I am in England, so PayPal would be easiest for me, as the bank charges quite a bit for Dollar cheques. However, if PayPal is not convenient for you, I will use whatever method you prefer. I have

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Mike Feher
Maybe Tom made a big time error of about 10 years, as it reminds me of myself in the early 70's. Now just a young 62. - Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 5/27/2007 07:55:58 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Said, private international shipment and customs is not that problematic to my knowledge and experience, at least between the USA and Europe. On Sat, 26 May 2007 20:39:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut?

2007-05-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] The first time nut? Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:01:28 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: I know that at least one of us (not me!) was photographed in his younger days wearing

Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-27 Thread Dave Brown
- Original Message - From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers? Anyone have a manual for either (or both) of these

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Rex
On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:54:21 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even fused silica is unstable (see attachment). Single crystal materials should be significantly better. Ageing Invar doesn't do much for its dimensional instability. Bruce Nice plot. Thanks Bruce. Where'd you find

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread michael taylor
On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CCL clearly talks about items such as space qualified oscillators, or stability better than 1E-011 etc. I am not trying to advise anyone if these You mean it the Commerce Control List (CCL) talks about space qualified _atomic_

Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-27 Thread Rex
On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:49 -0400, John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a manual for either (or both) of these mixers? I picked up a couple in very nice shape at the Dayton Hamvention and am doing what may be a very interesting experiment that involves using them to downmix

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ulrich, Just returned from Mannheim, where the gravitational force on my body increased by ten pounds, due to the fine food. A NASA film explains the motion of satellites in the following way: You have a cannon aimed at 45 degrees into the sky, for maximum altitude. You fire the cannon, but the

Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Rex said the following on 05/27/2007 05:12 PM: L X R is pretty normal marking for the mixer ports, but sometimes the X is labeled I. L = Local Oscillator R = RF X or I = mix or IF Thanks! John ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dave Brown said the following on 05/27/2007 05:02 PM: Don't think I ever saw a manual for these although I did use quite a few. The 1969 catalog (hparchive have it for download) has 3 pages describing them starting page 264. DaveB, NZ Thanks, Dave. That catalog has all the info

Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers?

2007-05-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Info on HP 10514A and 10534A mixers? Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John, Dave Brown said the following on 05/27/2007 05:02 PM: Don't think I ever saw a manual for these although I

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hello Ulrich, is it not important to bring into the game the satellite's velocity in relation to earth (on a tangential straight path deviated by gravitational acceleration)? 73, Arnold, DK2WT On Sun, 27 May 2007 19:59:22 +0200, Ulrich Bangert wrote: Didier, gravitational forces, so do

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Rex wrote: On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:54:21 -0700, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even fused silica is unstable (see attachment). Single crystal materials should be significantly better. Ageing Invar doesn't do much for its dimensional instability. Bruce Nice plot. Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread Arnold Tibus
Said, I am sorry, I do not want to figth nor I want being involved in possible fights, nor do I give instructions to cheat, in contrary, I did try to help with my knowledge of european import laws and procedures for normal goods, shipped privatly. If necessary I can provide some documents

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 5/27/2007 15:25:24 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that it is obvious for everybody, restricted items or confidential documents cannot be shipped this way. Hi Arnold, you are probably right, it's probably not a big deal to send these items

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 5/27/2007 14:06:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CCL clearly talks about items such as space qualified oscillators, or stability better than 1E-011 etc. I am not trying to advise anyone if

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Said Part of the confusion probably stems from such gems as: Technical Notes: 1. A resolution of n bit corresponds to a quantization of 2n levels. Random snippet from Supplement No1 to Part 774. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich, From NASA: http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm/ob_techorbit1.html quote More precisely, the *Lagrange Points* mark positions where the gravitational pull of the two large masses precisely equals the centripetal force required to rotate with them. /quote I am in good company :-) (except

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 5/27/2007 16:10:46 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Technical Notes: 1. A resolution of n bit corresponds to a quantization of 2n levels. Random snippet from Supplement No1 to Part 774. Bruce Hi Bruce, I have yet to figure it out too. That's why we

Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator

2007-05-27 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/27/2007 16:10:46 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Technical Notes: 1. A resolution of n bit corresponds to a quantization of 2n levels. Random snippet from Supplement No1 to Part 774. Bruce