Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Tom Duckworth
Stefan, Well, I have been sort of staying out of the recent discussions regarding oscillator stability measurements, ADEV, etc., but here goes my two cents worth. I hope it doesn't muddy the waters too much and is somewhat helpful. There is a fundamental problem with trying to do ADEV (Alla

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray wrote: >> The PM6681 does not appear to have support for measuring time >> intervals in positive and negative directions at the same time. That >> would limit the usefulness of this trick, it seems. Or is it just as >> valid to use the opposite edge of one of the signals? > > Will a lo

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Hal Murray
> The PM6681 does not appear to have support for measuring time > intervals in positive and negative directions at the same time. That > would limit the usefulness of this trick, it seems. Or is it just as > valid to use the opposite edge of one of the signals? Will a long chunk of coax shift on

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-24 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Antonio, no restoring jump happened within a couple of days from that jump. I think it's permanent. Unfortunately I don't have a date/time for this jump. The best resource for dated graphical data is probably realhamradio's GPSCon links, even though half of those links seem to have bee

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 51, Issue 80

2008-10-24 Thread Neville Michie
hi Tom and Frank, I am a member of NAWCC, and the Sydney Clockmakers Society. cheers, Neville Michie On 25/10/2008, at 6:59 AM, Thomas A. Frank wrote: > Hi Carl; > > I am. > > Tom Frank, KA2CDK > > On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Carl Dreher wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just wondered how many people on thi

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks, Said. What seldom happens to my tuning forks is similar to your brown line, of course. Do you have date and time of this beatiful jump? Have you observed, by chance, a negative (restoring) jump at any time after this jump? (the sense of the latter question is that, if you observed a res

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH) wrote: > The picket fence technique indeed seems like an interesting solution. The one > thing that made me concerned is the problem of detecting missing data. The > detection seems to be hardest when the frequency of the DUT is a submultiple > of the picket

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 51, Issue 80

2008-10-24 Thread Thomas A. Frank
Hi Carl; I am. Tom Frank, KA2CDK On Oct 24, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Carl Dreher wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondered how many people on this list are also members of the > Horological Sciences chapter of the NAWCC? > > Carl Dreher > ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-24 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Antonio, the X axis is in 6 second steps. This jump happened after days of perfect lock. Happened out of the blue, random (Poisson as someone had said? :) distribution. >From what I can see from the very interesting email thread, other users have seen their GPSDO's, Pendulums, etc jump

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Open Hardware Repository

2008-10-24 Thread Javier Serrano
I'd say before the end of the year. If you have any suggestion on the specs I am all ears. Cheers, Javier On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Jim Palfreyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like it. When is it ready? > > Jim > > > 2008/10/22 Javier Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Dear nuts, > > > >

Re: [time-nuts] My HP 10638A degausser replacement for the 5061A

2008-10-24 Thread Robert Darlington
For those of us that use Firefox (and possibly some others), you can get to it via the web with this URL: ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -Bob On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, wje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've finished my degausser replacement. I've put a zip file with > schemati

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Rodal Antenna

2008-10-24 Thread ernieperes
Hello Genst, Anybody has info/datasheet, pinout / 7 pin / of this Trimble Rodal Antenna, P/N 240066-32..? Thanks for your help. Rgds Ernie. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mai

[time-nuts] My HP 10638A degausser replacement for the 5061A

2008-10-24 Thread wje
I've finished my degausser replacement. I've put a zip file with schematics, pcb layout, a picture of the finished unit, etc. on my ftp site. Note that you have to use ftp to get to it, not a web browser: ftp ftp.quackers.net login: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the login name exactly as given. Just hi

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 51, Issue 80

2008-10-24 Thread Carl Dreher
Hi, Just wondered how many people on this list are also members of the Horological Sciences chapter of the NAWCC? Carl Dreher ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
The picket fence technique indeed seems like an interesting solution. The one thing that made me concerned is the problem of detecting missing data. The detection seems to be hardest when the frequency of the DUT is a submultiple of the picket fence frequency, which is what your examples amount

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH) wrote: > So you are proposing to do a kind of simulated time stamping by using a > reference PPS signal and measure the time distance between the reference edge > and the edge of the DUT? Nice idea, I'd probably need to do some math on the > result to convert

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
> > On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 11:20 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: > >> Besides, if Tom sent the question to Staffan, then it will be a little >> while since he is on vacation. >> >> Björn has a PM6681, he can actually TRY IT. :) > > But I lack a GPIB solution to record any measurement series... :-(

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
So you are proposing to do a kind of simulated time stamping by using a reference PPS signal and measure the time distance between the reference edge and the edge of the DUT? Nice idea, I'd probably need to do some math on the result to convert it to a proper timestamp, but that shouldn't be too

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Björn Gabrielsson
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 11:20 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Besides, if Tom sent the question to Staffan, then it will be a little > while since he is on vacation. > > Björn has a PM6681, he can actually TRY IT. :) But I lack a GPIB solution to record any measurement series... :-( -- Bjö

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH) wrote: > Thanks, Tom! > > Apart from the specifics with TimeView, how does one go about measuring ADEV > with a counter that does have a dead-time? Are there > tricks that can be played, either with a special measurement setup or with > some data postprocessi

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread John Miles
Along the same lines (and this may have come up before), is there a good Allan-deviation application for Windows that talks to the 5370B? -- john, KE5FX > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH) > Sent: Friday

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread peterawson
Stefan, When you have your question about ADEV & the PM6681 answered, would be so kind as to share the answer with us? Pete Rawson -Original Message- >From: Tom Duckworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Oct 23, 2008 10:19 PM >To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >Subjec

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring ADEV with a PM6681 or CNT-81

2008-10-24 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
Thanks, Tom! Apart from the specifics with TimeView, how does one go about measuring ADEV with a counter that does have a dead-time? Are there tricks that can be played, either with a special measurement setup or with some data postprocessing? Or with two counters that are somehow made to coope

Re: [time-nuts] Question on crystal jumps

2008-10-24 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello Neville, interesting info! Yes, chemical processing apparently can "fix" jumpy crystals. Wish we had more crystal processing experts post their experience here. It is interesting to note that some of these jumps on the order of say 0.1 parts per billion or less are probably caused b

Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identification

2008-10-24 Thread Rob Kimberley
Björn The pair in the middle look like TNC (BNC with thread instead of bayonet). Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Björn Gabrielsson Sent: 22 October 2008 23:26 To: Brian Kirby Cc: time-nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT: connector identif