Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message aanlktimnbz5wwbj8dr0_enzrfpxckwlklxfca7cx6...@mail.gmail.com, Jim Palfreyman writes: I have timed the accuracy of this internal clock and have found it to be pretty good so far. 17 days ago it was ticking over at 21.8 sec past the minute and a quick visual inspection today and it was

Re: [time-nuts] For your museum only Loran-C monitor

2010-05-27 Thread paul swed
Hal I have a minute. The loran c simulator is designed to support the older loran timing receivers and allows them to be used to measure references. Systems like the austron 2000c and 2100f etc. So you only need 1. For location you need at least 3 transmitters and at some distance and they must be

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
Bob, On 27 May 2010 23:43, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: This sort of thing is *very* algorithm friendly. You can correct for a lot of things after the fact. The results will be a bit variable since it's a how lucky did you get sort of thing. They also will tend to degrade over time, as

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer for this but there again that's hardly surprising. $ nslookup tf.nist.gov Server:

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Scott Newell
At 09:44 AM 5/27/2010, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not suggest an answer for this but there again that's hardly surprising.

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
Scott, On 28 May 2010 02:52, Scott Newell new...@cei.net wrote: At 09:44 AM 5/27/2010, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could not

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a raft of papers on each of the sub portions of the fitting process. Aging, retrace, temperature, and acceleration all have their own issues and fit approaches. The whole how (and why that way) do they test a chronometer? is something there's a lot of papers on as well. Some of

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread David Martindale
Hmm. From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. Try using the top-level page address: http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm (Looks like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). Dave On Thu, May

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindale dave.martind...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page. Try using the top-level page address: http://tf.nist.gov/phase/Properties/main.htm (Looks

[time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Murray Greenman
Jim, Getting back to the original question, I'd suggest that the Epson-Toyocom FC-12M would be an appropriate device. See http://ndap3-net.ebz.epson.co.jp/w/www/PDFS/epdoc_qd.nsf/WE_khz_unit/737394E88F20BFBA4925736B002B4C07?OpenDocument. It is a surface mount device, very small, 2 x 1.2 x

[time-nuts] PLL Tester performance

2010-05-27 Thread WarrenS
Nuts, I have been unable to explain to some of the upside down experts out there, in a way that they can understand, why the PLL Tester method works good enough for many. Maybe now that they can see that the simple PLL tester gives nearly the exact same answers as the TSC 5120A over the whole

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1077d2d627854b88925e3b90063ac...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: Where do you want to start? Isn't that HP/Agilent App-Note with the three wrist-watches the place to start ? 1289 or something ? Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

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2010-05-27 Thread Pete Lancashire
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Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are lots of starting points. The smart clock stuff is another starting point. Bob On May 27, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 1077d2d627854b88925e3b90063ac...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: Where do you want to start? Isn't that HP/Agilent App-Note with

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Luke . Hoffmann
Hi Jim, If you are looking for low power ( 80 mW @ 24 degrees C), stable (better that 1ppb per day) accurate (within 5ppb of 1Hz from factory) then have a look at these devices. They also have an input pin that takes a GPS 1pps ref used to discipline them. (Used by the device to recalibrate

[time-nuts] FW: URL GPS Satellite Launch

2010-05-27 Thread Nic McLean
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Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Don Latham
As usual, no prices. If you have to ask, you can't afford one :-) Don - Original Message - From: luke.hoffm...@l-3com.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small