Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/14/2010 05:45 AM, Glenn Little WB4UIV wrote: This is known as gold embrittlement. The gold has to be removed before a good solder connection is made. To remove the gold, tin the gold plated area. Desolder the tinning. Retin and remove the solder three times. This should remove the gold

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve, On 06/14/2010 04:49 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 14 June 2010 10:46, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Still puts it in the mid-tau range as a method. The useful range and precision of a particular implementation of the method will vary. By putting a GPSDO in the usual

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Adrian
It's in the same menu where you start / stop communication, just below the 'Port Open' command. CommPort Settings Baud Rate Adrian Robert Benward schrieb: The minimum voltage is +/-3 volts, I'm getting about +/-6 right now. How does one change the serial port speed, I don't see anything

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Adrian
Only the turned edge connector pins of the two PCB's inside the oven appear to have that problem. I looked under a good microscope, and the female contacts as well as the trimmer cap, both gold plated, looked good. Now 12 hours later, the 4060 is still running fine with no alarm light on and no

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Rooke
Thanks Magnus! On 14 June 2010 20:45, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Steve, On 06/14/2010 04:49 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 14 June 2010 10:46, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org  wrote: Still puts it in the mid-tau range as a method. The useful range and

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread EWKehren
Adrian, you did actually broke it down to the inside oven level. Is there any thing to look out for. I have a FTS 1200 that has a problem 2 Hz off but I have been reluctant to open it up. Any advice? Thanks Bert In a message dated 6/14/2010 6:02:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A Problem Child

2010-06-14 Thread Robert Benward
Re-seat all of the boards several times. Just to eliminate oxidation as a possible cause. Bob - Original Message - From: J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Robert Benward
Gold doesn't always solder that well either. Yes, it doesn't oxidize, but often in a production environment, we dip the leads and pre-tin them just to make sure they take in the wave. Bob - Original Message - From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net To: Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread EWKehren
Thank you Adrian I did print out the instructions and one quiet day I will go for it. Thanks again Bert In a message dated 6/14/2010 7:17:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfn...@arcor.de writes: Bert, I was surprised how easy oven disassembly was. Remove the 4 (8?) screws that hold the

[time-nuts] Trying Again: Datachron 3650 Manual?

2010-06-14 Thread Donn Williams
Hi All: I'm new to the list. I posted almost 2 weeks ago but never got a reply, so thought I'd try again. I recently picked up a Datachron 3650-133 GPS Synchronized Time Code Generator to use as a timebase for my amateur astronomy observatory. I've looked all over for a PDF of the manual

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Raj
IMHO gold does not tarnish but below/above the amalgam of gold with solder the solder probably will. The best solder connect will be where the different metal layers amalgam deeply. A thicker gold plating should work better. AGlenn Little WB4UIV wrote: I do not know why the manufacturers

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Some places use up PC boards a lot faster than others. Board oxidation can be a problem if you have a board in stock for a couple of years before it's used. In some cases having a tomato soup plant or sulfur hot spring, up wind can compound the issue. Bob -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread WarrenS
Long explanations, cause I try to explain, the best I can, when I say something is WRONG or misleading Magnus Posted: EFC linearity will remain an issue for analog oscillators. The oscillator gain will differ depending on offset voltage and temperature. TRUE it is an issue, but somewhat

Re: [time-nuts] Odd FTS 4060 Behavior

2010-06-14 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Pictures of 1000b dissembled here: http://www.n4iqt.com/fts1000b/pictures/ Believe it is similar. Stanley - Original Message From: Adrian rfn...@arcor.de To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 6:17:30 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread WarrenS
Steve posted Add smilies as you see fit. But can it make a decent cup of char? Can you add a cup-holder, those are essential these days. So does it grind wheat to make flower then; by golly, this thing is versatile. Funny or sarcastic, depending where one puts the smilies, but I would not

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: Long explanations, cause I try to explain, the best I can, when I say something is WRONG or misleading Magnus Posted: EFC linearity will remain an issue for analog oscillators. The oscillator gain will differ depending on offset voltage and temperature. TRUE it is an issue,

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread WarrenS
Bruce posted If and only if injection locking isn't significant. No problem then, because it is not significant. Can place this one under the 'ADVANTAGE' side. I have tested this thoroughly in many ways. I do understand the concerns and doubts, especially with an unbuffered HP 10811 as the

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/14/2010 06:13 PM, WarrenS wrote: Long explanations, cause I try to explain, the best I can, when I say something is WRONG or misleading Magnus Posted: EFC linearity will remain an issue for analog oscillators. The oscillator gain will differ depending on offset voltage and temperature.

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread WarrenS
Magnus posted: The main point I am trying to make is that it may not be useful to read the number of the data-sheet, One of my short comings, I never even considered one would do that. I guess it would be possible if one only needed say 50% accuracy for small differences. Right it needs to

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Robert Benward
Adrian, I thought that was for the Satstat, is the 3801 auto sensing? Don't you need to send a command? Bob - Original Message - From: Adrian rfn...@arcor.de To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 5:29 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Adrian
Bob, as by the Z3801 manual, the (RS422) port (of your PC) has to match the following settings: Pace: None Baud Rate: 19200 Parity: Odd Data Bits: 7/chr Start Bits: 1 Stop Bits: 1 There is no auto interface configuration mode inside the 3801. If the settings are wrong or the cable isn't

Re: [time-nuts] 5061A Problem Child

2010-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
Did that. All day long Sunday. Taking the evening off. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Benward Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:49 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi ... and Z38XX has nice things like error logs and serial transaction windows that are *very* nice for debugging problems. Bob On Jun 14, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Adrian wrote: Bob, as by the Z3801 manual, the (RS422) port (of your PC) has to match the following settings: Pace: None Baud

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Robert Benward
Hi Adrian, I got it working the other day, thanks to yours, and Hal's email with the port configuration. I'm still not sure how the guy who sold it to me got it working with the 0 ohm resistors still in the circuit. So much for buying at a hamfest, and so much for ethical people. I will

Re: [time-nuts] My stubborn Z3801A

2010-06-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 06/15/2010 05:21 AM, Robert Benward wrote: Hi Adrian, I got it working the other day, thanks to yours, and Hal's email with the port configuration. I'm still not sure how the guy who sold it to me got it working with the 0 ohm resistors still in the circuit. So much for buying at a

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: Bruce posted If and only if injection locking isn't significant. No problem then, because it is not significant. For each and every oscillator pair someone may try? Can place this one under the 'ADVANTAGE' side. That's descending into the murky realms of pseudoscience.