Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Don Latham
jees, Bob, it's called a TDR - Original Message - From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain Hi The assumption

[time-nuts] RE: Thunderbolt power supply hookup

2010-09-11 Thread Roberto Barrios
Hi Mark, You will find that and lots of other very interesting info at tvb's excellent website: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm The pictures do not show the bare PCB but you can guess how it is placed inside the housing from the pictures. Regards, Roberto EB4EQA Message:

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply hookup

2010-09-11 Thread Hal Murray
mspencer12...@yahoo.ca said: Would any one be able to point me towards a web site that shows the power supply pinout for the bare thunderbolt board (without the power supply board.) http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tbolt/power.htm -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply hookup

2010-09-11 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks that is very helpfull. - Original Message From: Roberto Barrios rbarri...@msn.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 10:50:51 PM Subject: [time-nuts] RE: Thunderbolt power supply hookup Hi Mark, You will find that and lots of other very interesting info at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply hookup

2010-09-11 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks that all makes sense and power up went ok. - Original Message From: Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 11:04:21 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply hookup

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: I seem to recall that the returned beam divergence was no narrower than the incident beam divergence, so if you want a X km footprint on Earth, you need a X km footprint on the Moon. Please let me know if you find that again. I poked around on the web and can't

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/10/2010 11:50 PM, jimlux wrote: Ralph Smith wrote: OK, stop me if this is really stupid. The initial site is in Colorado. Would it be possible to use WWV? In particular: 1) Lock a reference to the carrier of one of the WWV signals 2) Generate PPS off of WWV-locked reference 3)

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply hookup

2010-09-11 Thread Neville Michie
The separate power grounds available on the TBolt may be useful to improve performance. Someone, probably TVB, had comparative graphs of the TBolt with different power supplies. The 12v seems to be the sensitive one, it must power the analogue circuitry. By returning the sense lead of your

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/10/2010 07:17 AM, jimlux wrote: Ralph Smith wrote: On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: I would like to point out that the environmental sensitivities of the 5071A are unmeasureable, and the measurement threshold is far below 5.8E-14. I would estimate that the 5071A (and

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Chuck Harris
It is my understanding that test equipment is exempt from all RoHS requirements. -Chuck Harris Magnus Danielson wrote: Commercial availability is somewhat limited. A problem with Hg ion traps would be ROHS, unless they can be exempted or assumed to be within the telco exempt, which would be

[time-nuts] Hg ion traps

2010-09-11 Thread EWKehren
I am intriged by the Hg ion trap. Can any one tell me what the exact 40.5 GHz frequency is. Thanks Bert Kehren ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Hg ion traps

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/11/2010 01:44 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: I am intriged by the Hg ion trap. Can any one tell me what the exact 40.5 GHz frequency is. Considering the C-field tweaking, which raises the frequency, this list will answer that question:

Re: [time-nuts] Hg ion traps

2010-09-11 Thread ewkehren
Thank you Magnus. Bert -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sat, Sep 11, 2010 8:12 am Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hg ion traps On 09/11/2010 01:44 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: I am intriged by the Hg ion trap. Can any one

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread jimlux
Don Latham wrote: jees, Bob, it's called a TDR - Original Message - From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread jimlux
If it's far enough in the future.. Hg ion traps have a lot of potential.. smaller, lower power, etc. than Cs Commercial availability is somewhat limited. that's for sure.. I think all the Hg ion traps are still laboratory curiosities.. but, 10 years from now? A problem with Hg ion

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/11/2010 05:29 PM, jimlux wrote: If it's far enough in the future.. Hg ion traps have a lot of potential.. smaller, lower power, etc. than Cs Commercial availability is somewhat limited. that's for sure.. I think all the Hg ion traps are still laboratory curiosities.. but, 10 years from

[time-nuts] HP 5086-7748 or similar mixer wanted

2010-09-11 Thread Peter Krengel
Hi group, sorry I know its off topics but I'm desperately looking for a low-band mixer HP 5086-7748 for my HP 8594 Spectr.-Analyzer. There are some offers at ebay but the price is totally out of budget (~600-700USD). If the original typ isnt avaliable for amateurs budget I guess there must be

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5086-7748 or similar mixer wanted

2010-09-11 Thread J. Forster
Try the HP_Aligent Yahoo Group. Dead SA mixers comes up all the time. Also, your unit might be repairable. There is a guy, Luis Cupido (?) in Portugal, who can bond in new diodes on some HP mixers. For alternatives, look at MiniCircuits. Good luck, -John === Hi group, sorry I

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/11/2010 05:29 PM, jimlux wrote: If it's far enough in the future.. Hg ion traps have a lot of potential.. smaller, lower power, etc. than Cs Commercial availability is somewhat limited. that's for sure.. I think all the Hg ion

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Thomas A. Frank
Sites communicate via landline telco. If there are sufficient mutually visible networked sites to form a solution on an aircraft visible to stations not in the timing network that would work, and is one of the options we are studying. May it be assumed that the sites are on the regular

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 8459b572-1428-4f6a-8375-afb4f7225...@cox.net, Thomas A. Frank wr ites: If so, being within 300 miles of each other suggests that they are most likely all on the SAME section of the grid, in which case the phase time of arrival of the electric power waveform should be constant

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/11/2010 08:24 PM, Ralph Smith wrote: On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/11/2010 05:29 PM, jimlux wrote: If it's far enough in the future.. Hg ion traps have a lot of potential.. smaller, lower power, etc. than Cs Commercial availability is somewhat limited.

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You also have load dependent harmonic energy on there that messes up the zero crossings at the micro second level. Bob On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 8459b572-1428-4f6a-8375-afb4f7225...@cox.net, Thomas A. Frank wr ites: If so,

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/11/2010 11:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi You also have load dependent harmonic energy on there that messes up the zero crossings at the micro second level. Not to speak about the highly shifting reactive load, which can shift both negative and positive... and mess about the transitions.

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Stan, W1LE
If the odd harmonics were filtered out, would the zero crossing of the 60 (50) Hz fundamental be stable enough ? Thanks Stan,W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr On 9/11/2010 5:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi You also have load dependent harmonic energy on there that messes up the zero

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since the harmonics are locally generated, each site will see different crossings. The same is true of the local load impedance. Bob On Sep 11, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Stan, W1LE stanw...@verizon.net wrote: If the odd harmonics were filtered out, would the zero crossing of the 60 (50) Hz

[time-nuts] OT: GPS simulator

2010-09-11 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, While this is off-topic, I just wanted to drop a few lines... Spectracom/Pendulum (Pendulum Instruments is now parts of Spectracom) has released a 8 channel GPS simulator. It's an L1 C/A only thing, but I thought it may be useful for some of you guys to know about. It's

[time-nuts] HP 3575A Accuracy

2010-09-11 Thread jeffhook
Hi, I picked up an old HP 3575A I was wondering how accurate it is at compairing two 5 mhz or 10 mhz signals? Thanks Jeff ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread jimlux
Stan, W1LE wrote: If the odd harmonics were filtered out, would the zero crossing of the 60 (50) Hz fundamental be stable enough ? not to 30 ns grin Interestingly, one of the markets that Symmetricom/TrueTime/Datum sells into is GPS disciplined receivers used for power control. Power

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Brian Kirby
I believe the primary reasons for GPS receivers for the power industry is power line fault location. They use time tagging to measure disturbances to locate a fault and it's accuracy directly determines its resolution. On 9/11/2010 7:33 PM, jimlux wrote: Stan, W1LE wrote: If the odd

[time-nuts] PICTIC chip 2nd round of orders, shipped!

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Darlington
Hi guys, Just a quick update. For those that sent me cash via paypal, the chips have all gone out with one exception (I'm waiting on an address from somebody).Expect to see them later this coming week. Sorry for the delay in getting them out. The chips have been sent in an anti-static