Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Rob Kimberley
I want one!! Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Darlington Sent: 10 July 2011 6:47 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Rooke
You'd need one for both wrists and learn to look at the time on alternate watches or you'll end up with lop sided upper arm muscle growth. Who needs dumbbells when you can work out just by looking at the time :) I wonder what the average time for the novelty to wear out is on one of these. Steve

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Rooke
I still wear my Tag Heuer F1 midsize from back in the 80's. Although I'm on my second plastic bezel, the first wore so bad it eventually dropped off, and I have been through countless straps, the sapphire crystal is as good today as the first day I got it. They just don't seem to scratch at all, l

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Javier Herrero
My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I say) to go somewhere. He saw the three gauges

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread WB6BNQ
I got to tell ya Javier, I am deeply troubled by this report. BillWB6BNQ Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago,

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Raj
To me when someone tells me a time of day the first thing I visualize is the clock hands and not numbers. I suspect the present gen visualize numbers. They must have trouble with 60 minutes in the hour.. a quarter past six and such.. At 10-07-2011, you wrote: Apparently for those who

[time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm getting my two trusty Z3801As up and running after 18 months of downtime and a 500 mile move. Unit #1 came up just fine. Unit #2 has been running for about 18 hours and is working OK except that the health status is showing an EFC error. The EFC value is above 1e6 (currently 1014166)

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Rob Kimberley
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Novelty value only. I'm sure about a day wearing that would be enough for most mortals. :-) Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: 10 July 2011 10:28 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear John, On 07/10/2011 04:38 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I'm getting my two trusty Z3801As up and running after 18 months of downtime and a 500 mile move. Unit #1 came up just fine. Unit #2 has been running for about 18 hours and is working OK except that the health status is showing an

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Mark Spencer
Re sapphire crystals, my Tisot Titanium has a Saphire crystal and after approx 13 years still has not scratched.   It aslo keeps reasonably accurate time (with a few seconds per month.) - Original Message From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread William H. Fite
Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.comwrote: My comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Novelty value only. I'm sure about a day wearing that would be enough for

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread Ed Palmer
I don't think I would call the coarse tuning adjustment 'accessible', but it does exist. http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm Of course, before digging into a mess like that, check the standard things like power supply voltages, outer heater current draw, bad solder joints that

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Rooke
Wow! On 11 July 2011 03:20, William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com wrote: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.comwrote: My comment was a bit tongue in cheek.

[time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread ed breya
I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Mine runs on 24V, and I assume that the first converter is the only difference from the more common 48V units. Also, each stage of conversion should provide additional power supply rejection performance. It

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Javier Herrero
Curious concept... with ball bearings and cam belts... eeer... transmission belts ;) El 10/07/2011 17:20, William H. Fite escribió: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi John, use gravity. Turn the unit upside down, and see if it makes the error go away. Try all 6 faces. Maybe you find one where the g-sensitivity of the crystal brings the efc to below 90% again. Easy and non-invasive to do. You may see a couple of ppb change in crystal frequency as

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread Marco IK1ODO
At 18:54 10/07/2011, Ed wrote: I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Thanks to all that answered my questions; very interesting thread. Possibly only input voltage flexibility and EMC considerations, since the isolation was already given by

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Hal Murray
omni...@gmail.com said: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 From their web page: The power reserve is 52 hours, and the watch is actually very accurate at about plus or minus 4 seconds a day. 4 seconds per day? I'd expected

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/10/11 12:56 PM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: At 18:54 10/07/2011, Ed wrote: I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Thanks to all that answered my questions; very interesting thread. Possibly only input voltage flexibility and EMC considerations,

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Will Matney
Hal, No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come from the balance wheel arrangement, and with all the jewels (bearings), one would think it would sure move free. However,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A EFC Error

2011-07-10 Thread Dave M
Dear John, On 07/10/2011 04:38 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I'm getting my two trusty Z3801As up and running after 18 months of downtime and a 500 mile move. Unit #1 came up just fine. Unit #2 has been running for about 18 hours and is working OK except that the health status is showing an

[time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-07-10 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I'm looking to get a rubidium source to use as a reference for a spectrum analyser, frequency counter or similar test equipment. All these need a 10 MHz input. I've looked on eBay and found a few that seem to be in plentiful supply * EFRATOM 10MHZ LPRO-101 * FE-5680A * SLCR-101 * Efratom

Re: [time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-07-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/11/2011 01:37 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: I'm looking to get a rubidium source to use as a reference for a spectrum analyser, frequency counter or similar test equipment. All these need a 10 MHz input. I've looked on eBay and found a few that seem to be in plentiful supply * EFRATOM

Re: [time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-07-10 Thread Will Matney
David, The FE-5680A is always plentiful, and a lot of them are generally mounted on a PC board, from pulls, along with having a decent price. The main thing is availability, which means spare parts if you need them. I also know that I've seen these used as internal timebases for counters before

Re: [time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-07-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The LPRO is reasonable choice. Lots of them out there and nothing about them to drive up the price. The FRS-C is a similar unit, but a bit older, I see no reason to pay more for one than an LPRO. The SCLR is a repackage of the LPRO, no reason to pay more unless you need the low height. The

Re: [time-nuts] Any thoughts on best rubidium?

2011-07-10 Thread Rex
On the FE-5680A, there are quite a number of versions that have that number and look the same. Most run from one voltage input (+15V ? from memory) but some take that and a +5V to run. Most can be tuned with software, but the dual voltage one I got some years back -- I never found a way to

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Hal Murray
4 seconds per day? I'd expected better from a very expensive watch. Are belts nasty when it comes to keeping good time? No, it shouldn't have nothing to do with the belts, as they're the same as timing belts, or toothed belts, and would work the same as gear teeth. The accuracy will come

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-10 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Hal, On 11 July 2011 17:12, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: ... The crystals on my PCs are ballpark of 1 PPM per C.  I'd expect a watch crystal to be tuned to human temperature environments and be better than that.   I guess I'll have to get setup to collect some data. This