Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Poulos
On 7/10/2011 4:10 PM, Hal Murray wrote: omni...@gmail.com said: Then there is this little number... http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php?t=treegoto=415170rid=0 From their web page: The power reserve is 52 hours, and the watch is actually very accurate at about plus or minus 4 seconds a

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Rob Kimberley
Daylight savings seems to be a bit archaic especially with modern flexible working practices. Why not fit the working day around the clock seasons, rather than try to correct things twice a year? Rob Kimberley -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Poulos
On 7/10/2011 6:33 AM, Raj wrote: To me when someone tells me a time of day the first thing I visualize is the clock hands and not numbers. I suspect the present gen visualize numbers. They must have trouble with 60 minutes in the hour.. a quarter past six and such.. I'm 48 years old and prefer

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Far out. This discussion is so not time-nuts. I'm going to vent here. I'll do my best to be polite. Daylight savings is more beneficial the further from the equator you go. I love it and would never want it to go. As pointed out, this is a local issue. Go lobby your local representative. Metric

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Poulos
On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg/800px-Jaguar_XKR_Convertible_interior.jpg Time ago, I pick a young engineer (quite digitally oriented, may I

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread bownes
I'd love to find a Smiths analogue clock to match the gauges in the dash of my old British car! On Jul 16, 2011, at 10:56, Michael Poulos poulo...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/10/2011 5:04 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: My car has an interior look similar to this:

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Poulos
On 7/9/2011 10:18 PM, Raj wrote: I dont wear a watch since 25 years or more. Plenty of clocks around and now will cell phone and other personal devices all have clocks. Watch it. Those clocks on the cell phones are consistently slow compared to a WWVB watch. The time clocks where I

Re: [time-nuts] Am I the only Time Nut who doesn't wear a watch?

2011-07-16 Thread Lee Mushel
Javier shouldn't have been surprised! This level of understanding from the so-called smartest people who have ever lived, is quite common. Not too long ago I was checking the references of a young man who had just earned a master's degree in mechanical engineering. I was assured by one of

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 002001cc43c0$8dab3010$a9019030$@timing-consultants.com, Rob Kimbe rley writes: Daylight savings seems to be a bit archaic especially with modern flexible working practices. Why not fit the working day around the clock seasons, rather than try to correct things twice a year? Call your

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Rob Kimberley
Wouldn't trust any politician! :-) -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: 16 July 2011 6:04 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC In

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread Graham / KE9H
John: If it was turned off for more than a year, in my experience, the HP10811 (or similar) oscillators at the heart of the Z3801A will take about three weeks to settle down, and rejoin the previous mature aging curve. I have built a few GPSDOs using HP10811 oscillators, that I bought off

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread Dan Rae
One crystal expert, who's name escapes me, sorry, told me that if you power up an oscillator that has been off for an extended period, you should expect a very rapid ageing process to occur with a lot of the accumulated changes that would have happened had it been powered on then to occur when

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Jose Camara
Jim: time-nuts is a low volume, high SNR list for the discussion of precise time and frequency measurement and related topics Until there is a more specific charter listing what one can post about or not, or elected people with horned hats to judge what is noise and what is

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi John and Graham, On 16/07/11 22:50, Graham / KE9H wrote: John: If it was turned off for more than a year, in my experience, the HP10811 (or similar) oscillators at the heart of the Z3801A will take about three weeks to settle down, and rejoin the previous mature aging curve. I have built a

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
I think it is in Matthys, Crystal oscillator circuits. Can't quote page number now, as my verson is somwhere I cant remember. It's an excellent book if you do some experimentation. I did write an letter to R.J. Matthys a couple of years ago, and reveiced an answer. 73 de Thomas LA3PNA/AE5YS.

Re: [time-nuts] Follow-up on Z3801A high EFC reading

2011-07-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thomas, Dan, Magnus, Graham -- Thanks for the replies! This is an interesting example of no two oscillators are the same. I certainly expected that there would be aging and retrace on a cold oscillator, but I started both Z3801As almost simultaneously and within about 12 hours unit #1 had