Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Ed Palmer
A few years ago I bought an FE-5680A that had only a 1 PPS output - no 10 MHz. The part number is the same format as yours. It came on a Motorola circuit board (not cutoff). It is programmable over a wide frequency range (typically 100 Hz to 15-20 MHz), but you have to bring out the signal

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: ... It is programmable over a wide frequency range (typically 100 Hz to 15-20 MHz), but you have to bring out the signal yourself,... Any idea WHY someone would design something like that? A programable frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread gary
A light bulb with a metal envelope could be used as a dummy load. ;-) On 6/9/2012 12:35 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Ed Palmered_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: ... It is programmable over a wide frequency range (typically 100 Hz to 15-20 MHz), but you have to bring

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Javier Herrero
El 09/06/2012 09:35, Chris Albertson escribió: On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: ... It is programmable over a wide frequency range (typically 100 Hz to 15-20 MHz), but you have to bring out the signal yourself,... Any idea WHY someone would design

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Rex
On 6/9/2012 12:35 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: Any idea WHY someone would design something like that? A programable frequency standard where the frequency does not come out of the box. What next and audio amplifier that only drives an internal dummy load? Light bulb with a metal envelope?

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread Rob Kimberley
I had a go at making one in 1986 for a broken NBS unit (huge two 19 RMK, single channel GPS), which had been damaged in transit. Used small sections of semi-rigid coax soldered together. It worked well enough to track SVs and get data we needed. Rob K -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A pics

2012-06-09 Thread Rob Kimberley
Bob, FEI as far as I know do own Morion. That's certainly what I was told when I worked for Zyfer (also owned by FEI). Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: 09 June 2012 02:15 To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Dave Brown
They probably only wanted the 1 PPS. the DDS generates the 8.3 MHz and feeds a fixed divider to generate the PPS. Hence Eds's comments re these units a few posts back. I have a 5650 here that was similar. DaveB, NZ - Original Message - From: Chris Albertson

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A pics

2012-06-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
I have seen that FEI invested an 36% in 2004 and then reduced the investment in 2007... The Morion president Dr. Yakov Vorokhovsky visited my company one year ago, we were buying the MV189 OCXO. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Rob Kimberley robkimber...@btinternet.comwrote: Bob, FEI as far

[time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Hi all; Check Ebay auction # 180558168544, I have purchased a couple of these in the past for le$$, the several sellers are offering these. There is a Loran version also, so if you purchase be sure to note which one is offered. Follow the link given to view Vaisala's info rergarding the whole

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
Raj, it was not a trouble: on the contrary it was a good exercise. I made a QFH some time ago but it was not quite successful. After this reading I will try again. I have an Advantest R3765A vector network analyzer (40MHz - 3GHz) so I can tell if the antenna can work. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:36

Re: [time-nuts] GPS / GNSS front-end board

2012-06-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
And try to put the unused I/O pins to GND too. Xilinx suggests, to reduce noise, to ground the FPGA using as more free I/O pins as possible and configure them as low logic level. Of course this trick does apply to other brands too. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS rollover

2012-06-09 Thread shalimr9
I second that. I normally keep the GPS on my phone turned off to save battery life, but when I turn it on to use the map service for instance, I get a fix in as fast as a couple of seconds. That makes it much more convenient than my Tom-Tom car GPS and keeping the phone's GPS turned off unless

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency calibrator for sale ?

2012-06-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Looks like somebody bought it. If so - hope the batteries didn't leak all over the inside. Should be a pretty good double oven in there. Bob On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: Saw what looks like a military version of a vectron frequency standard on eBay. Item number

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A pics

2012-06-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yakov is a pretty good guy. I doubt he would ever sell the whole company to FEI. I believe there is still a Russian government provision in his charter that effectively keeps 51% of the ownership Russian. Bob On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: I have seen that FEI

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A pics

2012-06-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi They certainly own a co-production facility located inside the Morion factory in St. Petersburg. It's a *big* 1930's era building with lots of space. Bob On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: Bob, FEI as far as I know do own Morion. That's certainly what I was told when I

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 June 2012 09:31, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: I came across this article. I dont understand Italian!  From RadioKit Elettronica 2003-03 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10377704/IV3QBN%20QuadHelix.pdf Cheers -- Raj, VU2ZAP Bangalore, India. I'd be interesting in trying to see some

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
Of course one of the most challenging part of the EM simulators is preparing the correct model of the structure you want to simulate. Unfortunately (for me) I'm mostly a try-it guy rather than simulate-it so I prefer to build and try with test equipment. My first QFH was too high in frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Different or defective FE-5680A?

2012-06-09 Thread Ed Palmer
Do I detect a hint of frustration, Chris? :-) I agree with Rex's comments that the most likely reason for this is a building block process of combining standard modules to meet a customer's requirements. Some years ago I came across a 10 GB hard drive that came from a family of drives that

[time-nuts] SR620 flicker.

2012-06-09 Thread Tom Knox
I have a SRS SR620 that when an input channel is connected to the Ext Ref out has Flicker of about 3 digits of jitter/noise/drift. My experience is that most counter monitoring their external reference will be stable to one count with only an occasional larger jump. Magnus told me he has a

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency calibrator for sale ?

2012-06-09 Thread EB4APL
In contrast, the same seller tries to get $1300.0 for this coil !!! ebay Item # 200728874248 Ignacio El 09/06/2012 5:21, Mark Spencer escribió: Saw what looks like a military version of a vectron frequency standard on eBay. Item number 251075220188 The under $100.00 buy it now price

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 flicker.

2012-06-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is a fairly detailed calibration procedure for the SR620. I don't remember all the steps, but it does indeed reduce the reading jitter. Bob On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Tom Knox wrote: I have a SRS SR620 that when an input channel is connected to the Ext Ref out has Flicker of

Re: [time-nuts] Rapco 1804m

2012-06-09 Thread Paul Flinders
On 03/06/12 16:59, paul swed wrote: Sounds like a better antenna and location might be the trick. You don't say how high what coax length and type... Since you do not have a manual you sat mask angles may also be causing an issue by eliminating possible sats. But weak signals will do exactly

Re: [time-nuts] Rapco 1804m

2012-06-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Paul Flinders p...@flinders.org wrote: Went off to do some other stuff then came back to find it just in a loop resetting itself, running for a few seconds, then resetting itself again. It had also clearly forgotten it's idea of the current time as it now

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency calibrator for sale ?

2012-06-09 Thread Michael Blazer
That's amazing, the current stock list price is $745. Anyone up for the 'eBay premium'? On 6/9/2012 10:58 AM, EB4APL wrote: In contrast, the same seller tries to get $1300.0 for this coil !!! ebay Item # 200728874248 Ignacio El 09/06/2012 5:21, Mark Spencer escribió: Saw what looks like a

Re: [time-nuts] Rapco 1804m

2012-06-09 Thread Paul Flinders
On 09/06/12 18:42, Chris Albertson wrote: Could be any kind of internal failure. Yes, it's got the feeling of a processor problem, duff RAM or similar. But I'd check out the antenna and the antenna feed line. I've seen broken ground shields and water wicked inside the coax, is there DC in

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 flicker.

2012-06-09 Thread Tom Knox
Thanks Bob; It would be great if these are all cal issues. The offset is most likely calibration related, but I will be surprised if the jitter in a cal issue. It is certainly possible. I am thinking a weak/noisy cap. Thomas Knox From: li...@rtty.us Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:58:12 -0400

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread David Kirkby
On 9 June 2012 15:53, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: Of course one of the most challenging part of the EM simulators is preparing the correct model of the structure you want to simulate. Agreed. Unfortunately (for me) I'm mostly a try-it guy rather than simulate-it so I

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, you are right and this is the problem I have. I'm aware that wonderful things can be done starting with a simulator, not just tell whether or not the antenna will be on frequency. I have to fill the gap and learn how to successfully use a simulator. On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:03 AM, David

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread David Kirkby
On 10 June 2012 00:14, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@screen.it wrote: Yes, you are right and this is the problem I have. I'm aware that wonderful things can be done starting with a simulator, not just tell whether or not the antenna will be on frequency. I have to fill the gap and learn how to

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread David Kirkby
On 10 June 2012 01:39, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: NEC can do a pretty good job on a helix, and it's free. I like 4nec2 as a front end. I've never tried NEC on them. I quite like MMANA-GAL myself. But it only supports NEC2. NEC will also do a patch: Model it as a grid of wires using

Re: [time-nuts] Quadrifilar Helix Antenna

2012-06-09 Thread David Kirkby
On 10 June 2012 02:05, gary li...@lazygranch.com wrote: My recollection is NEC2 has a bug (i.e. can't model) conductive booms. It's not a bug. Essentially the current is assumed to flow in the direction of the segment, which is not the case on a boom. It's that assumption that worries me in