Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 96, Issue 70

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Hoffman, KG6O
Wow! Great info. The 5v mag mount antennae are working, but the receivers are cycling between 2-D and 3-D (5 or 6-bird) modes. With the 26dB trimbles, I suspect I'm loosing ~5db in the 30ft of crumby RG-5, and a little pattern with my rain-gutter backplane. I don't have too much arial

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 96, Issue 70

2012-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The antenna gain is likely *plenty* for that short a run of coax. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hoffman, KG6O Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:16 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 96, Issue 70

2012-07-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, I agree, it is not an antenna gain problem... it is better to find a way to draw the constellation like LH for the TBolt. This way you can find out if the antenna is free or not from obstructions. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi The antenna gain is

[time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Hoffman, KG6O
What advice does anyone have on building/finding cheap [visual?] comparison devices to display or detect a timing [lesajo?] from my 10MHz sine wave ports? Further, what timing/health metrics could/should I be aware of and/or looking for? I do not want to spend good money on another

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
The first step is: use any dual trace oscilloscope and put on channel 1 the first 10MHz source and on channel 2 the other. Trigger from channel 1 and see if and at what speed (cycles/second) the other channel walks. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Chris Hoffman, KG6O cq.k...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Albertson
Of course the dual trace scope will do this. But the OP asks for something cheaper. I think you can do the same thing as the scope with a mixer. Mix the reference and unknown 10Mhz signals then use a low pass filter. The output is the beat which if everything is perfect is a DC voltage. But

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A dual input counter is probably your best tool. Something like a 5335 or 5334 would be reasonably cheap. Maybe compare edge crossing time to a pps. Mux all of your outputs and compare them one at a time. You will have data resolution at 1x10^-12 in under a day. For time slips (as in

[time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Baker
Timenutters-- Along the lines of splitting time into small increments, there is an interesting article in the May 2012 issue of the IEEE Spectrum Journal. It describes experiments with what I am calling cork-screw time-shift phasing modulation or orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
To exploit an angular momentum modulation we need a demodulator able to recognize that angular momentum... nowadays our demodulators cannot go beyond amplitude, phase and their combination. Maybe I'm missing something... On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Michael Baker mp...@clanbaker.org wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Health Monitoring

2012-07-17 Thread Chris Hoffman
Mr. Sproul: I really like your solution! Do you mind emailing me code and schematics? Bob, you right: I should be watching slips with a PPS-actuated buffer. For now, I don't have the resources for a ready-made dual-input counter, but the strangest/best things seem to show up at the flea market

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-17 Thread Don Latham
Are we sure it wasn't the April issue? Isn't this just phase modulation? Azelio Boriani To exploit an angular momentum modulation we need a demodulator able to recognize that angular momentum... nowadays our demodulators cannot go beyond amplitude, phase and their combination. Maybe I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
Maybe: the experiment was made in March... Anyway, as usual, first I commented and then read the article and, yes, I was missing something but it is not so clear IMO. They say to have used 2 Yagi antennas at the receiver side and 1 Yagi and 1 modified parabolic dish at the transmitter. Then by

Re: [time-nuts] Orbital time-delayed angular momentum phasing....???!!

2012-07-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/17/2012 11:32 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Maybe: the experiment was made in March... Anyway, as usual, first I commented and then read the article and, yes, I was missing something but it is not so clear IMO. They say to have used 2 Yagi antennas at the receiver side and 1 Yagi and 1