Re: [time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

2012-09-12 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Jim wrote: As you can imagine, it turns out that foam can be too stiff or too soft, and that the appropriate foam density and thickness is dependent on both the mass of the thing being supported and the expected loading. You also need to pay attantion to what parts of the item can bear how

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Hal Murray
I have a $49 Casio Wave Ceptor, white face black numerals, analog hands including second hand, date, alarm and WWVB syncing in the middle of the night. Only had to replace the battery once and it ticks are closer than I can discern when comparing to WWV @ 10or 15 Mhz. Has anybody listened

Re: [time-nuts] Be aware of test equipment seller orzel-enterprisesoneBay

2012-09-12 Thread Paul Flinders
On 11/09/2012 21:48, Tom Miller wrote: That used to be the case but ebay now charges on the final price including shipping. AFAIK Ebay (at least in the UK) doesn't include postage in its final value fee, where postage is specified separately that is. It takes its bite of that particular

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Interesting: trying to hear a low frequency crystal using a microphone... it should be hard: the crystal has to make the case vibrate and this is energy consuming (unless it resonates). I don't expect to pick up nothing, except the step motor driving the hands. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Pierpaolo Bernardi
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com wrote: The waveceptor's are okay but I can't wear mine much because I tend to cross timezones a lot. The hands only run in one direction so when going to the west, it has to spin 11 hours forward. This takes 20 minutes.

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes indeed you can hear the 32KHz crystal. Back in the dark ages, that's exactly how we picked off the signal to drive a counter during adjustment of the watch modules. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
If I recall correctly it was in RF Design magazine many years ago that a short article included a schematic for using an ultrasonic sensor and selective amplifier (narrowband PLL?) to pick up the 32KHz vibration and convert it to a measurable signal. I'd expect a normal microphone to pick up

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, I'll try but I think this is not a dark ages practice: hearing a very small vibration is related to low noise and small signal techniques. It is way easier to hear a mechanical escapement. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Yes indeed you can hear the 32KHz

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread Dan Kemppainen
On 9/11/2012 9:43 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Given a choice, I always go USPS to my PO Box. It is fast and cheap. The PO Box takes a day or two off the delivery and one less carrier to ruin the shipment. I used to do this a lot. Then the USPS delivered one of my packages to the

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 505085c2.80...@irtelemetrics.com, Dan Kemppainen writes: Btw, can I propose a bit of self-help here ? I have started to put things like good packing for intl. shipment in my feedback to sellers, if this is warranted. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread David Kirkby
On 12 September 2012 03:03, Mark Spencer mspencer12...@yahoo.ca wrote: Nope.. In my experience importing typical time nuts items into Canada Fedex in Canada charges a signficant brokerage fee that is typically many times higher than fees charged by other carriers Since I have the paperwork

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread John Lofgren
Unfortunately I don't have that article, anymore, but I remember the basics from it. The author used one of the Radio Shack piezo sounder elements as the pickup. It was one of the 3 wire styles designed for an external oscillator circuit. I think it might have been around 1 cm diameter. The

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

2012-09-12 Thread J. Forster
I avoid styrofoam insulation because: It is too rigid and therefore transmits shocks to the object. Once crushed, it provides no further protecrion. -John = Jim wrote: As you can imagine, it turns out that foam can be too stiff or too soft, and that the appropriate foam

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread Peter Gottlieb
That is such a large barrier to entry for someone like me that I would never be able to move to the UK! Sep 12, 2012 09:20:16 AM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote: On 12 September 2012 03:03, Mark Spencer wrote: Nope.. In my experience importing typical time nuts items into

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Didier Juges
you can probably cite from the time-nuts archive jim s j...@jwsss.com wrote: On 9/11/2012 10:01 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: The SC cut crystal is generally credited to Jack Kusters (of HP) and Errol Ernisse. The story was something like Errol proposed the concept and Jack actually

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

2012-09-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Peter: Many of the Microchip PIC uC have a lot of flexibility in this regard. I used it on some of the clocks I made. http://www.prc68.com/I/PRC68COM.shtml#07092006 Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Peter Krengel wrote: Hello

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

2012-09-12 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I have a web page devoted to packaging, mainly examples of bad packaging I've received, and some vendors who do an excellent job. http://www.prc68.com/I/Pack.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread J. Forster
That was part of the reason I suggested parting the busted unit out. It's already behind the VAT wall. -John === That is such a large barrier to entry for someone like me that I would never be able to move to the UK! Sep 12, 2012 09:20:16 AM, time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Packing and shipping of test equipment

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Geoffrey Smith geoffsmit...@tpg.com.auwrote: May I suggest that we pool our ideas on minimum packing requirements to be posted as an article on say ebay.Simple thing like no loose beans, bubble wrap size for instrument weight, box wall thickness,

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

2012-09-12 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.netwrote: On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Peter Krengel krengelda...@gmx.de wrote: I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching between the internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output of my thunderbolt

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Our production test setup was not very fancy. We had a simple miniature microphone that directly contacted the module. The fixture also supplied power to the module. There was an op amp and a simple diode limiter between the mic and the input to the counter. No PLL's or crazy stuff needed. We

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Some chips (dspic33's for example) have oscillator fail protection. You blow the magic fuse bits and when the TBolt isn't giving you a clock the micro drops back to the internal R/C oscillator. It's magic Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of a µC osc. to external 10MHz reference as clock?

2012-09-12 Thread David
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:42:48 +0200, Peter Krengel krengelda...@gmx.de wrote: I'm looking for a possibility to make an automatic switching between the internal µC oscillator (Atmel µC) to the 10MHz output of my thunderbolt to use it as a precise µC clock. Has anybody an idea how to do best

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 9/12/2012 2:21 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Interesting: trying to hear a low frequency crystal using a microphone... it should be hard: the crystal has to make the case vibrate and this is energy consuming (unless it resonates). I don't expect to pick up nothing, except the step motor driving

Re: [time-nuts] Brokerage fees (was fedex and shipping..)

2012-09-12 Thread Mark Spencer
In the case of higher dollar items where the duties are higher the brokerage and other related fees tend to fade into the noise. For smaller purchases the brokerage fees become a bigger issue for me. As other posters have pointed out using the postal service can often reduce or eliminate

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
The small microphone is not a problem: I've used a small mic from a cellphone to make an audio downconverter used as a bat detector, I can try with that hardware first. On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Randy D. Hunt randy_hunt...@yahoo.comwrote: On 9/12/2012 2:21 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] RE; New Wrist watch

2012-09-12 Thread Christopher Quarksnow
There are many Wave Ceptor LCD versions such as WVM120J-1 (about $27) or WV59A-1AV (about $49) that might not have the spin issue. Chris On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.comwrote: The waveceptor's are okay but I can't wear mine much because I tend to

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/12/2012 01:55 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Useful: I have found other papers on the Kalman filter applied to clock estimation. Thank you, Magnus. You are welcome, I actually just followed through on Rick's hint as I know there is useful info there, and I wanted to show it more clearly. I

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Write a model of the OCXO, use the Kalman filter to generate the steering data so that they are cleaner and drive the DAC more frequently. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 09/12/2012 01:55 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Useful: I have found

Re: [time-nuts] Automatic switching of uC osc. to external 10MHz

2012-09-12 Thread Peter Krengel
Thank you for the suggestions. I'm just learning about the TI MSP430/C2000 possibilities (got eval boards) to do a glitch free switching. As I'm not fixed to the Atmels I will try to do the job using one of these uCs rather than building stuff around that Atmels ;) 73 Peter, DG4EK