Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
kuze...@gmail.com said: And that's with a $6 navigation GPS thingy (USB puck-type NMEA-only) Where did you get one for $6? What make/model/brand? That's navigation... Timing mode only needs 1 satellite lock after all, and I suspect I will at minimum be able to get needed 1 satellite lock

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray [] Timing mode also needs special firmware. I haven't seen any of the low cost units that come with timing mode. Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required? Hal, I see

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
Take care that the 1 satellite timing mode comes after having seens more than 4 satellites for at least 1 seconds (usually, or greater). You can't start a timing mode receiver with 1 satellite. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Hal

Re: [time-nuts] Odetics 365

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
You are measuring your counter stability, not the GPSDO stability. A locked GPSDO is way better than any free running counter if driven by its internal timebase oscillator. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Rob S. robe...@dcsi.net.au wrote: Hello Group, first time post I have just got my

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/18/2012 6:17 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Take care that the 1 satellite timing mode comes after having seens more than 4 satellites for at least 1 seconds (usually, or greater). You can't start a timing mode receiver with 1 satellite. Yes, you can. You only need to tell it its own

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? Starting from a suitable outdoor position then using precise length and angle measurements, yes, it can

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi This comes back to the what are you trying to do? question. If the target is better than 1 ms, then the location does not have to be all that accurate. You can get within a hundred meters using a good map, and some care about coordinate systems. That's adequate for a 1 ms design. Without an

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? Starting from a suitable outdoor position then using precise length and angle measurements, yes,

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, indeed I was assuming to have the PPS with the best precision anyway. Well, in this case I agree. Galileo? Yes, I can try with the LEA-5T. I have to figure out how to set it so that only Galileo SVs are received. And: I don't think Galileo is meant for EU only, you can test it too. Are the

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2012 6:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: ((...snip...)) -- 1 Indoor antennas can work. It depands on the details. Hopefully the skylight looks to the south. BTW that

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But yu are in luck, iLotus does sell an M12M evaluation kit that is ready to use http://www.ilotus.com.sg/m12m_uart_evaluation_kit but the price is higher. That web page says: SiRF Oncore(tm) Software What's the relation between SiRF and i-Lotus? Anybody

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
azelio.bori...@screen.it said: OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? It depends upon how bad your indoor setup is. Mine is poor, not

[time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Adrian
Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be quite noisy and was able to trace the problem down to the tuning diode. Actually, the phase noise started to jump when the oven heated up. As a quick solution, I replaced it with a SMD type that I had at hands. I would appreciate any hint where to

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/18/2012 3:33 AM, Hal Murray wrote: ((...snip...)) Where did you get one for $6? What make/model/brand? ((...snip...)) Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required?

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required? kuze...@gmail.com said: http://www.ankaka.com/usb-gps-receiver-for-computers-laptop-worked-as-gps-nav igator_p46411.html AGI-G217 USB GPS Receiver That web page says: Uses SiRF Star

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread David McGaw
That would be a Motorola MV1650 or equivalent. You may have to select for 100pf +/- 5% @ 4V as the standard spec is 10% but it probably does not matter as the tuning ratio will be greater than the 2 spec. David On 10/18/12 3:18 PM, Adrian wrote: Hello, I found the 10811 in my 8662A to be

[time-nuts] GWBasic at 57600 Baud WORKS!

2012-10-18 Thread cdelect
I got my dinosaur up and healthy again. The code Ed Moxon suggested worked great with some monor tweaks to my program. 10 'run gwbasic com port at high baudrate by poking divisor latch 100 OPEN COM1:9600,N,8,1 AS 1 '9600 is 115200/12, so latch is now 12 110 UBASE = h3f8: LCR=UBASE+3 'uart i/o

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Rick Karlquist
Probably unobtainium. 0122-0244 is shown as Motorola SMV315-24 or MSI Electronics SQ529. For whatever that's worth. Reminds me of a popular audio amplifier design that was in Popular Electronics using Motorola SS1122 diodes. Some special non catalog diode. Turns out Dan Myers, the designer,

Re: [time-nuts] Odetics 365

2012-10-18 Thread Rob S.
Thank you for the reply Azelio, I wasn't sure where to start with the drift... Cheers, Rob. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:21 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
On 10/18/2012 1:20 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Let the GPS average the antenna position over a very long time. On a good GPSDO one can select the number of averages, and the position variance before the survey is finished, and the (now very precise) position is stored in memory.

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Said Jackson
Thanks! Have fun experimenting Said Sent From iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 18:54, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/18/2012 1:20 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Let the GPS average the antenna position over a very long time. On a good GPSDO one can select the number of averages, and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread John Miles
That's extremely interesting, Adrian. I've never heard of a noisy varactor, but then I've never looked for one, either. It'd be great if some of the problems that have been blamed on jumping crystals were in fact caused by the tuning diode. What steps did you take to rule out the crystal and

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But yu are in luck, iLotus does sell an M12M evaluation kit that is ready to use http://www.ilotus.com.sg/m12m_uart_evaluation_kit but the price is higher. That web page says: SiRF

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread Tom Curlee
I'll second the interesting part. I have a problem with a 10 GHz brick oscillator LO that I converted to GPS lock.  I don't remember the instantaneous frequency jumps (around 200 - 400 HZ at 10 GHz) before I did the GPS lock (although it's possible).  Please note that this is NOT any type of

Re: [time-nuts] Controlling FEI 5680A

2012-10-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/14/12 9:18 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Not over kill at all. It is worth paying a few $$ not to have to design a PCB. Worse then that is that most will take shortcuts and design it so that you need a sppepcial IC programmer to program the PIC. Thee $20 development boards allow you to