Re: [time-nuts] UTC + 0 (was Accurate timestamping on computers )

2012-11-04 Thread Sarah White
http://inkushi.freeshell.org/screenshot-1351958570177.png ^See? Hence my filing a bug report a few hours ago. On 11/3/2012 8:54 PM, Brent Gordon wrote: Reykjavík, Iceland is UTC+0 without summer time changes. Brent On 11/3/2012 9:55 AM, Sarah White wrote: P.S. Seems strange that the

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amps and slew rate

2012-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you slew rate limit the square wave (which is reality) you get a sin(x)/x frequency response. It doesn't go to infinity, but the lobes keep going for quite a while. Things like cables and connectors have upper frequency limits as well. A square wave will only be happy with a linear

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Simple - feed it in at the high side of the crystal. Still easy - pop out the crystal and feed it in there. More complex - re-wire the base of Q101 so it's detached from all the caps and crystals. It's now a comm emitter buffer. AC couple the signal in there. Of course you still have

Re: [time-nuts] HP-53132A Faded and flickering display

2012-11-04 Thread Timeok
Hi all, to avoid more display consumption during long acquisitions, there is an HPIB command to blank the display on the counter. I have asked to KE5FX to add this feature in Timelab during the acquisition setup. Hope he have time to do this. Luciano Il 2012-11-02 23:13 John Lofgren ha

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread paul swed
I would question the ability to change it. Not familiar with the radio, but fcontrol feeds back to the 12.8Mhz oscillator by a varicap. If its part of the pll of the radio then no. If its a RIT control then as mentioned yes. The RIT will no longer work. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread Bill Hawkins
Can anyone explain the five day delay in Mr. Gray's mail? -Original Message- From: John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 6:23 AM Joe, the question is whether the DDS spurs and noise on the FE-5680A are strong enough to interfere with your measurements. I suspect that in

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Several of the large carriers have had all manner of issues due to the storm; not only network issues but mail servers as well. Peter On 11/4/2012 11:02 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Can anyone explain the five day delay in Mr. Gray's mail? -Original Message- From: John Ackermann N8UR

[time-nuts] I'm new

2012-11-04 Thread M. Simon
I'm not currently a ham. I am interested in Time.   You can learn more about my interests here: http://www.ecnmag.com/tags/Blogs/M-Simon/ I'm working on some Time projects. When they are done I'll post them to the list. Simon Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread Joseph Gray
John, The radio is on 2M. Joe Gray W5JG On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 5:23 AM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: Joe, the question is whether the DDS spurs and noise on the FE-5680A are strong enough to interfere with your measurements. I suspect that in the HF/VHF range, you'd probably

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Is the programmable FE-5680A suitable to replace the 12.8 MHz reference in a Midland XTR? If so, where do I feed the rubidium into the circuit The long term characteristics of the Rb are very good. But short term a

[time-nuts] NTP at the witching hour

2012-11-04 Thread gary
These are two plots from Dave's NTP plotter program. Nothing strange happened when we switched back to standard time as far as can tell. Offset versus date: http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/ovd.gif Relative frequency error versus date: http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/rfvd.gif

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Joe, The reference oscillator is only part of the story. Being a typical FM radio the normal method is to observe when the carrier is in the center of the discriminator's bandpass. The particular center point is not a constant, per se, because the discriminator is typically adjusted so that

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium as radio reference

2012-11-04 Thread WB6BNQ
Joseph Gray wrote: Internet is flaky lately. I'll be brief, as I'm sending this from my phone. I don't need timenut accuracy for this. I want to make a setup for measuring off the air, so local amateurs can have some way to check a radio. Using a service

[time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
If I use a gpsdo as my reference and feed the same 10MHz into a counter does that yield the reference independent noise floor of the measuring system? Seems to me it would look like an ideal reference with respect to the measuring system. Thanks, Doc KX0O

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Bill, This is usually a good idea, since the counter then has both a good short- and long-term stable/accurate timebase, inherited from the GPSDO. It means the internal timebase of the counter is no longer a factor in measurement stability or accuracy. There are exceptions to this, but I'll

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
I guess what I am saying is if I discipline the counter with 10MHz and then measure the same 10MHz. Just making sure we are on the same page. Doc Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Bill, This is usually a good idea, since the counter

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Hal Murray
docdai...@gmail.com said: I guess what I am saying is if I discipline the counter with 10MHz and then measure the same 10MHz. Just making sure we are on the same page. The input signal will be at a fixed offset from the reference clock. That offset will depend on cable lengths. If that

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Tom, I think you missed the point. He is trying to measure the noise floor of the counter itself. So what he wants to know is if using the same signal for the time base and input, would that cancel out the signals contribution to the noise measurement. BillWB6BNQ Tom Van Baak wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, that setup can give you a rough estimate of the counter's noise floor. I can't give you specific numbers but one danger with this sort of test is that the input and the timebase are artificially locked together (i.e. fixed phase relationship) through the