Re: [time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-14 Thread SAIDJACK
Greg, the only power source I am aware off that can provide the ~5W power required by that Novus box for 10-12 years with 20lbs weight limit without any external power sources or maintenance is a radioisotope thermoelectric generator (RTG) such as those used on Spacecraft. The Russians

Re: [time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-14 Thread Scott McGrath
Sounds like a space based systemPerhaps those mining probes Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 2:11 AM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Greg, the only power source I am aware off that can provide the ~5W power required by that Novus box for 10-12 years with 20lbs weight limit without

Re: [time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-14 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:15:25 -0600 Gregory Muir engineer...@mt.net wrote: Most of the problems have been solved including the power source. This is not your typical kitchen table project. And, as new frequency references are developed and the design feasibility phase is still open, small

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread David C. Partridge
I thought the Junghans Mega clock used DCF-77 rather than WWVB? Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: 13 June 2013 22:27 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 14 June 2013 05:48, Perry Sandeen sandee...@yahoo.com wrote: There are two long standing truths about electronic equipment. One you can’t have too much filter capacitance. Two, you can’t cool too much. (Please spare me the liquid nitrogen or submarine battery comments.) Regards,

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread EWKehren
In the nineties Junghans decided to introduce their products in the US. Three products, a watch with stainless steel case and dial and LCD display, antenna in the leather band, a Mega with 5 inch dial and LCD display and a Mega with LCD only display. As part of the development effort they

Re: [time-nuts] VE2ZAZ controller

2013-06-14 Thread paul swed
Bob I agree the comment was on the 3586 mod not the gpsdo. As I recall Bert would send a programed proc. I bought one from him for not much. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Perry, Could you give me some context for your post? Is this

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I thought the Junghans Mega clock used DCF-77 rather than WWVB? Regards, David Partridge There are a number of different models of Junghans Mega clocks, from desk clocks to wristwatches. The ones sold for the USA market receive WWVB. /tvb ___

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Talking of Cooling HP 5370's, I have a 12V fan Gorilla taped to mine fed from a wallwart. Not elegant, but it has reduced the heat sink temperature dramatically. Is anyone else concerned about the heat sink temperature on the 5370? Has anyone done a fan modification they would care to share?

Re: [time-nuts] New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-14 Thread Chris Howard
I like that explanation. I think I get it. I don't think it is likely to cause me any worry. My actual measurement of ADEV on my VE2ZAZ device gave me a 100,000s sigma of just under 1E-10 and that works for me (best is at 1000s, 4E-11). Maybe the strength and the danger of the VE2ZAZ design

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
Well, it 'killed' my two. The website for the manufacturer of mine (both SkyScan, cheap from Sam's) stated that there was a problem with WWVB. I'll keep an eye out for a replacement. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock)

2013-06-14 Thread paul swed
I did call spectracom just to see if they had any parts for the 81XX series. They said they had not had any for 10 years. The Guy was helpful. But those magical 60Khz xtals aren't to be had. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM, J. L. Trantham jlt...@att.net wrote: Well, it

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questions

2013-06-14 Thread Stanley
As you drive down the road it is important that you do not over correct errors and look ahead and start turning before the car reaches the turn, your corrections have a delay in taking effect as well as a delay in knowing where on the road you are. You know where the car was but more important

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Luciano Paramithiotti
About the HP5370 please got o see my solution to: http://www.timeok.it/files/hp_5370a_temperature_solution.pdf Luciano timeok see : www.timeok.it On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.auwrote: Talking of Cooling HP 5370's, I have a 12V fan Gorilla taped to mine

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Joe, All of the SkyScan clocks I know of have failed. I have two of them that no longer work. However, I have two made by Junghan's that seem to be fine. Take a look at www.junghansUSA.com Burt Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...(WWVB Clock) Well, it

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
Burt, I saw that earlier. I am hoping to find a wall clock. I wonder what it is about the SkyScan clock that makes them fail. I doubt they phase lock the signal but they might. I think all the data is AM modulated, IIRC. Thanks. Joe -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Mark Spencer
Re:  HP5370B cooling.   I currently have three HP5370B's that have been running for many months in a cool room (typical room temperature is under 20 degrees C even in the summer) so far without issues.    Other than placing them away from other heat producing equipment and and double checking

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The cheap La Crosse wall clocks seem to do fine with the new WWVB format. http://www.amazon.com/La-Crosse-Technology-WT-3128U-12-Inch/dp/B0039O6W88/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8qid=1371230316sr=8-16keywords=la+crosse+clock Is one, there are an enormous number of different models. I suspect that they

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Luciano wrote: About the HP5370 please got o see my solution The fans would cool the transistors better if they were blowing on the heatsink fins, not directly at the transistors. I use a slow fan that is large enough to blow over the whole heatsink assembly. You can't hear it over the

[time-nuts] Looking for an old french disertation

2013-06-14 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi, I'm looking for an old french diseration, which doesn't seem to be available electronically (at least i couldn't find it anywhere) and none of the libraries in switzerland seem to have it. Unfortunately, the author died a year ago, so i cannot contact him directly anymore. If anyone has an

Re: [time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-14 Thread DaveH
Most RTG sources use Plutonium 238 or Strontium 90. Primary decay component is Alpha particles which can be stopped dead by a few mm of shielding. Good article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator Dave -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for an old french disertation

2013-06-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Attila wrote: Hi, I'm looking for an old french diseration, which doesn't seem to be available electronically (at least i couldn't find it anywhere) and none of the libraries in switzerland seem to have it. Unfortunately, the author died a year ago, so i cannot contact him directly

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for an old french disertation

2013-06-14 Thread Claudio Girardi
Attila, a quick look at the système universitaire de documentation website list the university libraries where a paper copy is available for loan: http://www.sudoc.fr/008747431 (click on the Où trouver ce document? link at the top) : AIX-MARSEILLE 1 - BU Sci.St Charles BESANCON - BU Sciences

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS APP updates?

2013-06-14 Thread Brian Alsop
Current Thunderbolt GPS shows: APP: 2.2 11 Mar 2002 GPS: 10.2 14 Nov 2001 Mfg: 07 June 2002 I previously owned another APP:3.0 27 June 2002 GPS: 10.2 14 Nov 2001 Mfg: 21 Mar 2003 The two apparently were manufactured within 3 months of one another. Some questions: 1) What is APP and what does

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS APP updates?

2013-06-14 Thread Arthur Dent
The two apparently were manufactured within 3 months of one another. I'd say 9 months. The firmware revision from 2.2 to 3.0 is the 3 months you mentioned and from what I could gather ( which may or may not be correct) mainly changed the algorithm for handling carryover and unless you're

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS APP updates?

2013-06-14 Thread Brian Alsop
Thanks. On 6/14/2013 23:22, Arthur Dent wrote: The two apparently were manufactured within 3 months of one another. I'd say 9 months. The firmware revision from 2.2 to 3.0 is the 3 months you mentioned and from what I could gather ( which may or may not be correct) mainly changed the algorithm

[time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 grief... Watching the problem...

2013-06-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Gang, I took a look at the WWVB signal using a 1:1 Lissajou signal the same way I do for the FMT's. Using a 10:1 scope probe I sampled off the output of the pre-amp in the 8170 and fed it into a HP-3586B tuned to 60 kHz and compared the resultant I.F. against a HP-3336A tuned to the 15625

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for an old french disertation

2013-06-14 Thread David Kirkby
On 14 June 2013 20:24, Claudio Girardi claudio.gira...@virgilio.it wrote: Unfortunately, as far as I understood, you need to be a student at a French university for obtaining an interlibrary loan. The global French libraries catalog (http://ccfr.bnf.fr) does not list any additional (i.e.

Re: [time-nuts] Neat little cesium box

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/14/13 10:55 AM, DaveH wrote: Most RTG sources use Plutonium 238 or Strontium 90. Primary decay component is Alpha particles which can be stopped dead by a few mm of shielding. Good article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator Dave but not

[time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2013-06-14 Thread Gabs Ricalde
As an alternative to the Net4501, the AM335x in the Beaglebone has timers that accept an external clock up to 25 MHz (TCLKIN) and can timestamp events on an input pin (TIMER4-TIMER7). Both sets of pins are available on the headers after an appropriate pinmux configuration. I'm finishing the

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 grief... Watching the problem...

2013-06-14 Thread paul swed
Burt Yes this has been looked at before by time-nuts and as you say it shifts. Its also documented by nist and unfortunately the AM code is nothing like the new psk code for a good reason. Better noise immunity and other things also documented. Its complex at least for me. Overall I get it but

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 grief... Watching the problem...

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
What I saw was the phase of the WWVB signal shifting back and forth 180 Degrees coincident with the dips in the carrier. Coincidentally, this is what all of you have been telling me, but, just the same, it was interesting to watch. The duration of each shift obviously are a form of zeros,

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 Time of Day grief...

2013-06-14 Thread J. L. Trantham
More like what I'm looking for. Thanks. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:21 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom

[time-nuts] Alternative WWVB Spectracom solution

2013-06-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Since the topic of WWVB came up again, here's another idea. A number of people still want to use (hp, or Tracor, or) Spectracom WWVB receivers as frequency standards or to maintain NIST traceability. As has been discussed on the list, these receivers no longer work now that the enhanced WWVB

Re: [time-nuts] Alternative WWVB Spectracom solution

2013-06-14 Thread Chris Albertson
The software already exists to do this. It is included with the standard NTP source code in a directory called (from memory) test. It was designed to test the time code clock driver. You are right it is not complex, you can read the code and see how it was done. On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:45

[time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure...

2013-06-14 Thread Burt I. Weiner
My HP-3336A was purchased from an auction (not eBay) and came out of a Southern California lab that was shutting down. The small heat sink ran awfully hot. I added a larger heat sink and it eventually became pretty hot also. What I discovered was the line voltage was set to 100 volts, not

[time-nuts] Have 10 MHz need 19.2 MHz

2013-06-14 Thread Perry Sandeen
List,   My reply to Javier Herrerojherr...@hvsistemas.es   P  Double the 10 MHz to 20 MHz.   P  With another circuit of 74HC390’s divide 10 MHz to 200 KHz.  Then double it twice to 800 KHz with LM 1496 DBM’s.  Apply the two frequencies to a LM 1496 DBM and use a LPF to get the 19.2 MHz.   P  

Re: [time-nuts] Beaglebone NTP server

2013-06-14 Thread Doug Calvert
Can you explain what is different in this approach versus the traditional gps/pps without needing a custom clocksource? On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gabs Ricalde gsrica...@gmail.com wrote: As an alternative to the Net4501, the AM335x in the Beaglebone has timers that accept an external