Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/06/2013 05:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > Yes, but the TV tuners do all the "hard part" that is getting a big chunk > of bandwidth into your computer. You have to build a mixer and a LO to > down or up convert the RF to what the tuner can handle but LOs and mixers > and filters are the eas

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/06/2013 02:08 AM, John Ackermann wrote: > The DTV dongles are very cute and really great educational devices, > but one thing to keep in mind is that they have 8 bit A/D converters > and consequently pretty limited dynamic range. And the frequency > accuracy/stability is pretty horrific for

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes there are complete autopilot system with integrated gyros, accelerometer compass horizon sensors and so on. You give the AP some waypoints the it will fly to them. Basically a drone controller. I think you can have one for about $100 in hardware. http://ardupilot.com On Mon, Aug 5, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, but the TV tuners do all the "hard part" that is getting a big chunk of bandwidth into your computer. You have to build a mixer and a LO to down or up convert the RF to what the tuner can handle but LOs and mixers and filters are the easy part On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Lizeth Norman

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread Chris Albertson
> > > If you stay on Windows instead of Linux, you will find many more SDR > programs, and more refined. If instead you prefer spend your time with > configure, compilations, debugging, search of the correct version of the > libraries, etc. then I warmly recommend you Linux... << flame suits on >>

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Bownes
They also make nice panadapters... On Aug 5, 2013, at 17:25, Lizeth Norman wrote: > Gents, > These things are limited in usefulness by themselves. They need decent > filtering and preamps for any weak signal stuff. > If all you want to do receive the local channels, then these are for you! > Nor

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Lizeth Norman
Gents, These things are limited in usefulness by themselves. They need decent filtering and preamps for any weak signal stuff. If all you want to do receive the local channels, then these are for you! Norm n3ykf On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Don Latham wrote: > About $85 US. But a TV tuner typ

Re: [time-nuts] Generate 1 PPS signal on serial port

2013-08-05 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Marki the "smart" search engine came back with: Prof David Mills: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/pps.html Pulse-Per-Second (PPS) Signal Interfacing Hardware: http://www.vk2hmc.net/blog/?p=583 If using Linux you need kernel version > 2.6.39.4 or version 3 kernel as the PPS interface i

Re: [time-nuts] Generate 1 PPS signal on serial port

2013-08-05 Thread Hal Murray
> Having a Linux/FreeBSD PC synchronized using NTP/chrony, what would be the > best way of generating an output 1 PPS signal on a (hardware) serial port ? I haven't tried it. On Linux, /drivers/pps/generators/Kconfig (from kernel-devel or kernel sources) says: # PPS generators configuration

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Nortel GPSTM Boards

2013-08-05 Thread Jim Sanford
Did you /increase/ the elevation mask? Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 8/5/2013 8:06 PM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Many thanks to those who commented on this and apologies for the delayed response, having spent a few days in an internet free zone I've also had to contend with a couple of power failures s

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread John Ackermann
The DTV dongles are very cute and really great educational devices, but one thing to keep in mind is that they have 8 bit A/D converters and consequently pretty limited dynamic range. And the frequency accuracy/stability is pretty horrific for anyone on this list. :-) I keep one in my laptop

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Nortel GPSTM Boards

2013-08-05 Thread GandalfG8
Many thanks to those who commented on this and apologies for the delayed response, having spent a few days in an internet free zone I've also had to contend with a couple of power failures since returning but am just about getting back to normal again, whatever normal might be:-) As suggest

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question - some links

2013-08-05 Thread Bill Ezell
I didn't see this mentioned (then again, I get tired of scrolling thru all the copies of all the responses). January '13 issue of QST had a nice article by K3ACT about how to actually get all the pieces (hardware and software) hooked up, along with a simple upconverter to push the LF end down as

[time-nuts] Generate 1 PPS signal on serial port

2013-08-05 Thread Eugen
Probably this was asked before but in searches I only find how to use an external 1 PPS GPS signal for NTP synchronization. Having a Linux/FreeBSD PC synchronized using NTP/chrony, what would be the best way of generating an output 1 PPS signal on a (hardware) serial port ? For timing I've seen t

Re: [time-nuts] [hp_agilent_equipment] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
About $100. -John = > On 08/05/2013 04:56 PM, J. Forster wrote: >> >> >> Has anyone played with this thing? >> >> http://microsat.com.pl/product_info.php?products_id=35 >> >> If you add a laptop, is the thing a complete radio? It seems to be far >> too >> cheap to believe. >> >> -Jo

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If it's cheap enough to make disappointment a minor issue - go for it. There will be spurs at the clock frequency(s) and harmonics there of. At some input level you will seeintermod issues. Weather they are bad enough for you to care about - only a trial can tell. Bob On Aug 5, 2013, a

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
> Hi John, > > I don't think you quite got it yet. All of those types of "Dongles" > have no frontend filtering and no gain control (AGC). Oh, I'm all too familiar w/ SAs without YIG preselectors. That's why I've always preferred AILtech to HP. > Basically it is a > "diode" (so to speak) looking

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Tom Miller
While I have not done this yet, there is supposedly software that allows direct sampling down to DC. Some of the devices have a hole in the coverage around 1200 MHz so watch out. I think the RTL2832 is ok though. Tom - Original Message - From: "Bob Stewart" To: "Discussion of prec

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 8/5/2013 11:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: <75 to >1300 MHz USB Ability to function as a crude SA. Not crawling w/ birdies or aliasing issues. Will run on Win XP. Demod selecttable for all modes at all frequencies. In a package, rather than a loose PCB. <$150 I bought this from China : http://ti

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread wb6bnq
Hi John, I don't think you quite got it yet. All of those types of "Dongles" have no frontend filtering and no gain control (AGC). Basically it is a "diode" (so to speak) looking at the spectrum from DC to Daylight, even though they have a limited range. So, yes, there will be birdies and

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
If the windo can be slid under SW control, that's enough. Flat, in this context is something like +/- 6 dB... non-critical. I want to be able to see spurs, etc. I don't need much dynamic range either. -John === > Just be aware that they're not wideband units.  The sampling rate d

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
I assume you mean XP? Several reasons: Used Thinkpads that will run XP are cheap and plentiful. I hate Vista and Win 7... I'm interested in a turnkey tool, not SW 'elegance', etc. -John == > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: > >> OK. Thanks everybody. Can you ple

Re: [time-nuts] [TestEquipTrader] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
The 240-420 MHz gap is a killer for me. Much of my interest lies in that band. Also, I'd much prefer a 20 MHz plus SA function. -John == > For that money, look for a used Funcube Dongle. > The new Funcube Dongle Pro+ is just under 200 USD but it goes down to > 150 kHz and up to 1.9 G

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: > OK. Thanks everybody. Can you please reccomend a make/model? > > > Will run on Win XP. The above seems an odd requirement. Why? -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Just be aware that they're not wideband units.  The sampling rate defines the bandwidth of any sample, and the fact that it's 8 bits limits the resolution.  So, you can essentially look at up to a 2MHz slice anywhere you want within 64MHz to 1.7GHz.  Of course, you could move your center frequen

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Hal Murray
bro...@pacific.net said: > This is the only low cost receiver I've found that has 10 Hz update rate and > that's very important for aircraft flight control systems. Is there real information in all of those updates, or is it just doing the traditional 1 per second calculations and extrapolatin

[time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
OK. Thanks everybody. Can you please reccomend a make/model? I'd like something like: <75 to >1300 MHz USB Ability to function as a crude SA. Not crawling w/ birdies or aliasing issues. Will run on Win XP. Demod selecttable for all modes at all frequencies. In a package, rather than a loose PCB.

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Google DVB-T and RTL2832.  I bought a device about some months ago for about $20.  It does actually work as advertised, though this one looks nicer than the one I got.  Apparently the guy who was writing the linux driver for these (Antti Polisaari of Finland) noticed a feature that allowed it to

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread Don Latham
About $85 US. But a TV tuner type is about $24. J. Forster > Has anyone played with this thing? > > http://microsat.com.pl/product_info.php?products_id=35 > > If you add a laptop, is the thing a complete radio? It seems to be far > too > cheap to believe. > > -John > > === > >

[time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion ?

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
Has anyone played with this thing? http://microsat.com.pl/product_info.php?products_id=35 If you add a laptop, is the thing a complete radio? It seems to be far too cheap to believe. -John === ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@f

[time-nuts] HP 8620C scales

2013-08-05 Thread cdelect
Hi, I'm looking for 3 scales for the HP 8620C. 2-6.2 Ghz 6-12.4 Ghz 2-18.6 Ghz I have an extra 12-18.6 to trade? Thanks, Corby Dawson ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The 66 channel GPS receiver really can't track 66 satellites because there are not that many, but having that many channels greatly reduces time to first fix. This is the only low cost receiver I've found that has 10 Hz update rate and that's very important for aircraft flight control syste

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Paul
> I do mai for a living -- we use SpamCop, SpamHaus (SORBS) and Sophos > and have no prolems (that we can't resolve) with them. Sorry that should have read SpamTeq (SpamHaus) and when I say "you" I mean someone not getting mail from an originating address listed in a BL database. _

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
I would appreciate it, if you would read more carefully... It's about abusive DNSBLs. I don't know from where you got the funny idea that SORBS has something to do with Spamhaus... Look up Michelle (ex-Matthew) Sullivan to learn a bit about SORBS' history... in the mean time bought by GFI, and n

[time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Paul
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:17:37 +0300 > From: MailLists > While I'll agree on Spamhaus' decent services, SORBS has definitely a > very shoddy history (the internet is full of "beneficiaries"'s stories). You have the roles reversed. If you have a problem with a BL the resolution is with your SMTP

Re: [time-nuts] RS-232 interfacing

2013-08-05 Thread M. Simon
I'm always glad for inputs. I like learning things. The design decisions were made based on parts in hand for the level translators. I don't like stocking a lot of different parts. I use those for other circuits where 2 bit translation is appropriate. I usually pick chips based  on cost and t

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Thomas Valerio
You might want to check out http://diydrones.com/ as well. Thomas Valerio > This chatter about model aircraft GPS got me to wondering if there now > off-the-shelf flight control systems for model planes that will do nav > and/or attitude control? I know there are mini-gyros, but I think they

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Andy Bardagjy
There are quite a few off the shelf model aircraft controllers. As you can imagine, those based on GPS and/or MEMS IMUs are not terrifically high performing. That said, I have seen very promising results from thermopile based systems - good discussion in the link below http://paparazzi.enac.fr/wik

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
Wow! IR horizon sensors for pitch and roll model aircraft! That is neat. Thanks, -John == > There are quite a few off the shelf model aircraft controllers. As you can > imagine, those based on GPS and/or MEMS IMUs are not terrifically high > performing. That said, I have seen

Re: [time-nuts] RS-232 interfacing

2013-08-05 Thread Herbert Poetzl
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:35:25AM -0700, M. Simon wrote: > A while back some of the folks on the list were discussing > RS-232 interfacing. > I may have something useful for those of you still wrestling > with the problem. An RS-232 interface (Male or Female DB-9) > that can take any voltage fro

[time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
While I'll agree on Spamhaus' decent services, SORBS has definitely a very shoddy history (the internet is full of "beneficiaries"'s stories). Besides being very "trigger happy", and unresponsive on requests, the owners at least used to force a "fine", err. "donation" for delisting. Since it ha

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
This chatter about model aircraft GPS got me to wondering if there now off-the-shelf flight control systems for model planes that will do nav and/or attitude control? I know there are mini-gyros, but I think they are only good enough for attitude control. Last time I was into this, if you lost rad

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
If you mean Comcast, I can well see their point. Over half the malware spam I get comes from Comcast and Comcastbussiness. Just because they are big, does not mean they should be given an exemption from being responsible. YMMV, -John > I agree with John, you can't go around bloc

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread J. Forster
I wish there were a way of blocking all Chinese ISPs. I'm sick of "Dr Oz" and similar incessant crap. YMMV, -John = > Hi > > I run the same sort of stuff, and have the same sort of problems from time > to time. At one point all of Germany was unable to send me email … > > Bob >

[time-nuts] RS-232 interfacing

2013-08-05 Thread M. Simon
A while back some of the folks on the list were discussing RS-232 interfacing. I may have something useful for those of you still wrestling with the problem. An RS-232 interface (Male or Female DB-9) that can take any voltage from 1.8 to 5V (nominal) and turn it into full RS-232 levels at 230,40

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread M. Simon
Jim, My plan is to make the  "10 MHz clock + processor" separate from the GPS module. Ultimately any GPS pps signal should lock the clock. This is a work in process and may go through several iterations of hardware. The micro has a clock out pin so I may add another BNC + 50 ohm driver to use

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread James Harrison
On 05/08/13 11:42, MailLists wrote: > Good luck delisting a DNSBL listed IP (block) from those "crusaders"... > Back some time there was a piss contest between some of those > "blacklists" on which one would blacklist the whole internet faster. > In the mean time different "security" providers boug

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I agree with John, you can't go around blocking America's largest cable ISP! We have err opted out of using SORBS now. -marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of MailLists Sent: Monday, 5 August 2013 8:43 PM To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
Good luck delisting a DNSBL listed IP (block) from those "crusaders"... Back some time there was a piss contest between some of those "blacklists" on which one would blacklist the whole internet faster. In the mean time different "security" providers bought up some of those rabid "blacklists" to

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS for model aircraft

2013-08-05 Thread Jim Lux
Design so that when that module is no longer available, you've got pins and software switches to use something else. Lots of one off projects depend on something surplus or cheap, and rapidly become non-duplicate-able when the parts supply ends. On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:18, "M. Simon" wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I run the same sort of stuff, and have the same sort of problems from time to time. At one point all of Germany was unable to send me email … Bob On Aug 5, 2013, at 6:55 AM, "Mark C. Stephens" wrote: > Yikes! I wish I had known earlier. > Is it just SORBS or SpamCop, SpamHaus and WPBL as w

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Yikes! I wish I had known earlier. Is it just SORBS or SpamCop, SpamHaus and WPBL as well? As remedial action I have turned off SORBS blocking. Really, sorry about this Bob, John, please resend, as I do value your correspondence even if SORBS led you to believe otherwise. --marki -Original

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Comparing A to B is never easy. There is a wide variation between synthetic quartz processes. The issue with quartz is not so much purity. Synthetic is many orders of magnitude cleaner than natural. The issue is growth rate. Natural quartz grew over centuries, synthetic grows in days / weeks

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I had the same problem with some stuff I tried to send Mark. Bob On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:29 AM, John Miles wrote: > Mark, I'm having trouble replying to your email, as your ISP is using a spam > blacklist (SORBS) that blocks the SMTP servers used by the largest American > cable ISP. Do you ha

[time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread John Miles
Mark, I'm having trouble replying to your email, as your ISP is using a spam blacklist (SORBS) that blocks the SMTP servers used by the largest American cable ISP. Do you have another ISP you can use to receive email? -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC _