Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I don’t know about the Adafruit GPS, but I do believe that GPS time is independent of position. Put another way, GPS time is exactly the same here in PA as it is anywhere else on the planet. As the GPS computes locations it also computes time. If location is wandering around, the same

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Tim Shoppa
Rule of thumb: every meter off in survey altitude is three nanoseconds. The error due to inaccurate latitude/longitude is much smaller in nanoseconds per meter for any reasonable viewable sky. Tim N3QE On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I'm experimenting with

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: . I can guess it's a vector difference between each two successive points converted to ns, That vector difference has to include altitude. Then as you say, convert distance to time via the speed of light. But I think this is

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
The pps on that unit is good. Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably. I am working on quantifying its pps as compared to my 2 fury units and the ublox 6T. Awaiting a 8 antenna splitter, and dso. Have another trick up my sleeve but need a Linux kernel hacker. I

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Chris, The manual says timing accuracy 10ns.  They further say Position Accuracy without aid: 3.0m (50% CEP), DGPS 2.5m (50%CEP).  I am just learning about all of this, and DGPS is something new to me.  I see PRN-51 in the sky but not being used.  So, I take that to mean that DGPS is turned

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bill, Keep me informed of what you find, would you?  As I noted in my other note, I don't have DGPS turned on, and I take it that's pretty important for timing applications.  I'll try to get that done early after lunch today. Bob From: Bill Dailey

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
will do... i dont think I have dgps turned on either. never bothered. On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Hi Bill, Keep me informed of what you find, would you? As I noted in my other note, I don't have DGPS turned on, and I take it that's pretty important

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 11/04/2013 06:30 PM, Bill Dailey wrote: The pps on that unit is good. Compares favorably to the ublox6T. I can't say how favorably. I am working on quantifying its pps as compared to my 2 fury units and the ublox 6T. They are pretty good, being dirt cheap nav receivers. In this

Re: [time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Kasper Pedersen time-n...@kasperkp.dk When testing, try fast temperature shifts; I found that it would shift the PPS much more than I expected, as if there is a rather slow filter driving the PPS output. Now that's something I hadn't thought of.  I'll need to put at least a cover over my

[time-nuts] Computing GPS Distance Error in Time

2013-11-04 Thread Mark Sims
I was using the Adafruit GPS receivers to calculate the bearing and distance between two boxes that had radio tranceivers in them. The control box polls the remote box position and does simple trig on the difference between the GPS coordinates. I noticed that the Adafruit GPS seems to go

[time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Hello, fyi KF5OBS did a nice video review of the CSAC GPSDO (and Lecroy high end scope) that's posted on Youtube now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CogN630jUSsfeature=c4-overviewlist=UU_XdpUc sSigyf4JrrPtI5eA bye, Said ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Said, How much do the CSAC's run? Thanks, John Westmoreland On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:14 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hello, fyi KF5OBS did a nice video review of the CSAC GPSDO (and Lecroy high end scope) that's posted on Youtube now:

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread Said Jackson
John, Too much to post here publicly :) About one tenth of the price of the next higher available Cesium reference though, and not much more than some used decades-old functional FTS Cesiums selling on Ebay. Please call the office for quotes on CSAC units. Thanks, Said On Nov 4, 2013, at

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Said, Yes - Ha! In the video, KF5OBS does say something like the price of a new car. I have a very wide variance for what that could be - a Scion xB, Viper, Rolls Royce Bentley..., Ha! Great video - and thanks for letting us know about it. I actually went to the NIST chip scale site the other

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt tuning DAC theory of operation

2013-11-04 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Stu, I read this basically when it was posted. I would like to thank you for posting this. The theory on how to discipline an OXCO is something that I want to learn more about - and posts like this help with that a lot. So, thank you Stu - much appreciated! Best Regards, John Westmoreland

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear Said and John, Thank you for your comments on this thread. I just returned from a long business trip to find out more parties interest in Jackson Labs fine products. I have seen and enjoyed in awe the video you posted to the thread. This toy will forever be a unicorn in my dreams, from

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi John, well, I think he must have meant a new car back in 1971 :) That would be about right. It's not quite THAT expensive. Symmetricom seized to exist as an independent company a couple of days ago, they were bought out by MicroSemi.. They do make great products, for sure. Please note

Re: [time-nuts] video of CSAC GPSDO

2013-11-04 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Said, Really - meaning - I knew something was up over at Symmetricon but I didn't know what you just told us. Hmmm, I hope the transition goes smoothly and you are able to keep making progress with the folks at Microsemi. Best Regards, John Westmoreland On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:51 PM,