Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX

No sign of Loran signals on 100 KHz here.

On 11/13/2013 07:06 PM, paul swed wrote:

Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700.
UrsaNav must have received some support $
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz rp...@bnin.netwrote:


Hi all;

For any one interested, Loran's back up again. Sounding good in northern
Indiana.

Rich
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread Scott McGrath
What GRI are they using 

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 On Nov 13, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Rich and Marcia Putz rp...@bnin.net wrote:
 
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 For any one interested, Loran's back up again. Sounding good in northern 
 Indiana.
 
 Rich
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
 Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700.
 UrsaNav must have received some support $
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL

Paul,

See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release:

---

From: UrsaNav Press Contact
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel

UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013

Two Companies - One Dream

UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran Transmitter

Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance Testing at 
Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has accepted delivery of the 
first production NL40 Loran-C and Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter. This 
seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the culmination of over six 
years of collaborative development between the two companies.

The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the requirements of the 
u.s. Coast Guard Specification of the Transmitted Loran-C Signal. Testing was 
conducted into a simulated antenna matching the characteristics of a u.s. Coast 
Guard standard 625-foot Top-Loaded Monopole. The NL-Series transmitters are 
capable of transmitting Loran-C, eLoran, Chayka, and eChayka in any combination 
at power levels exceeding one megawatt. They are qualified for today, and 
prepared for tomorrow.

UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the transmitter from 
Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: Resilient PNT begins with 
complementary technologies, layered one upon the other in such a way that the 
user is ensured improved continuity of operations over a sole-source solution. 
eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and our technology 
makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and wide-area alternative when 
GNSS is not available.

UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low Frequency 
Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, including 
high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, and Differential Loran 
technology. We are the exclusive, global, reseller of Nautel's 
industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency transmitters for Loran/eLoran and 
Chayka/eChayka.

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Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations

2013-11-14 Thread Graham / KE9H

John:

We have one at work.  It basically works as represented.

It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the
safe settings for soldering different sized items.  It puts out a tremendous
amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful.
For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being 
reworked.


You want to use it in a well ventilated area.  It heats the board to be 
reworked

from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared
from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question
above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by.

The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong
odor when hot.  Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you
are melting solder and flux.  So, good ventilation is highly recommended.

You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder
something valuable.  In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful
work.

--- Graham

==

On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:

Hello All,

I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations
on the PCB's you work on -

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B

Are these as good as advertised?

Thanks In Advance,
John Westmoreland
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread paul swed
Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward.
The GRI is 89700.
SRS700 locked and looking good.
Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line.
The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801.
The SRS700 looks at the RB.
I pulled the Austron 2000 out of the rack several months ago.
Needed the space.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL. Near Boston.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:

  Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700.
  UrsaNav must have received some support $
  Regards
  Paul
  WB8TSL

 Paul,

 See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release:

 ---

 From: UrsaNav Press Contact
 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM
 Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel

 UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013

 Two Companies - One Dream

 UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran Transmitter

 Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance Testing at
 Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has accepted delivery of the
 first production NL40 Loran-C and Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter. This
 seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the culmination of over
 six years of collaborative development between the two companies.

 The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the requirements of
 the u.s. Coast Guard Specification of the Transmitted Loran-C Signal.
 Testing was conducted into a simulated antenna matching the characteristics
 of a u.s. Coast Guard standard 625-foot Top-Loaded Monopole. The
 NL-Series transmitters are capable of transmitting Loran-C, eLoran, Chayka,
 and eChayka in any combination at power levels exceeding one megawatt. They
 are qualified for today, and prepared for tomorrow.

 UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the transmitter from
 Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: Resilient PNT begins with
 complementary technologies, layered one upon the other in such a way that
 the user is ensured improved continuity of operations over a sole-source
 solution. eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and our
 technology makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and wide-area
 alternative when GNSS is not available.

 UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low Frequency
 Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, including
 high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, and Differential
 Loran technology. We are the exclusive, global, reseller of Nautel's
 industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency transmitters for Loran/eLoran
 and Chayka/eChayka.

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Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations

2013-11-14 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Graham,

Thanks - good info.  On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on
whether it is the T-862 or T-862++.

So I guess that is a pretty good buy.

Best Regards,
John
AJ6BC


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.comwrote:

 John:

 We have one at work.  It basically works as represented.

 It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the
 safe settings for soldering different sized items.  It puts out a
 tremendous
 amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful.
 For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being
 reworked.

 You want to use it in a well ventilated area.  It heats the board to be
 reworked
 from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared
 from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question
 above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by.

 The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong
 odor when hot.  Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you
 are melting solder and flux.  So, good ventilation is highly recommended.

 You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder
 something valuable.  In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful
 work.

 --- Graham

 ==


 On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:

 Hello All,

 I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations
 on the PCB's you work on -

 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%
 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B

 Are these as good as advertised?

 Thanks In Advance,
 John Westmoreland
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread J. Forster
What's the signal strength like?

-John

===



 Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward.
 The GRI is 89700.
 SRS700 locked and looking good.
 Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line.
 The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801.
 The SRS700 looks at the RB.
 I pulled the Austron 2000 out of the rack several months ago.
 Needed the space.
 Regards
 Paul
 WB8TSL. Near Boston.


 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote:

  Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700.
  UrsaNav must have received some support $
  Regards
  Paul
  WB8TSL

 Paul,

 See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release:

 ---

 From: UrsaNav Press Contact
 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM
 Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel

 UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013

 Two Companies - One Dream

 UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran
 Transmitter

 Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance Testing
 at
 Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has accepted delivery of
 the
 first production NL40 Loran-C and Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter.
 This
 seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the culmination of
 over
 six years of collaborative development between the two companies.

 The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the requirements of
 the u.s. Coast Guard Specification of the Transmitted Loran-C Signal.
 Testing was conducted into a simulated antenna matching the
 characteristics
 of a u.s. Coast Guard standard 625-foot Top-Loaded Monopole. The
 NL-Series transmitters are capable of transmitting Loran-C, eLoran,
 Chayka,
 and eChayka in any combination at power levels exceeding one megawatt.
 They
 are qualified for today, and prepared for tomorrow.

 UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the transmitter from
 Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: Resilient PNT begins with
 complementary technologies, layered one upon the other in such a way
 that
 the user is ensured improved continuity of operations over a sole-source
 solution. eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and
 our
 technology makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and wide-area
 alternative when GNSS is not available.

 UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low Frequency
 Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, including
 high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, and Differential
 Loran technology. We are the exclusive, global, reseller of Nautel's
 industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency transmitters for
 Loran/eLoran
 and Chayka/eChayka.

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Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations

2013-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what they 
are selling is “without lenses”. My impression was that you needed to focus the 
IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not dig far enough 
to sort that part out.

Bob

On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. 
j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote:

 Graham,
 
 Thanks - good info.  On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending on
 whether it is the T-862 or T-862++.
 
 So I guess that is a pretty good buy.
 
 Best Regards,
 John
 AJ6BC
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.comwrote:
 
 John:
 
 We have one at work.  It basically works as represented.
 
 It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the
 safe settings for soldering different sized items.  It puts out a
 tremendous
 amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful.
 For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being
 reworked.
 
 You want to use it in a well ventilated area.  It heats the board to be
 reworked
 from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared
 from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question
 above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by.
 
 The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off strong
 odor when hot.  Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you
 are melting solder and flux.  So, good ventilation is highly recommended.
 
 You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder
 something valuable.  In the hands of a skilled operator, it does beautiful
 work.
 
 --- Graham
 
 ==
 
 
 On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework stations
 on the PCB's you work on -
 
 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%
 3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B
 
 Are these as good as advertised?
 
 Thanks In Advance,
 John Westmoreland
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Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2013-11-14 Thread paul swed
Sounds pretty good not banging in here like the old chain did.
austron 2100 says 38db
srs700 says 47 rcvr gain and 25 db noise margin.
hp3856b's says -53dbm or 500uv.

Regards
Paul
WB8TSL




On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:40 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote:

 What's the signal strength like?

 -John

 ===



  Oh that is indeed interesting that they are moving forward.
  The GRI is 89700.
  SRS700 locked and looking good.
  Just brought the Austron 2100 and 2100F on line.
  The 2100 is tied to the local RB and the f is tied to the HP3801.
  The SRS700 looks at the RB.
  I pulled the Austron 2000 out of the rack several months ago.
  Needed the space.
  Regards
  Paul
  WB8TSL. Near Boston.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com
 wrote:
 
   Well lets see. Just warming up the srs700.
   UrsaNav must have received some support $
   Regards
   Paul
   WB8TSL
 
  Paul,
 
  See below, via Adobe OCR on a JPG press release:
 
  ---
 
  From: UrsaNav Press Contact
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:31 AM
  Subject: UrsaNav Accepts eLoran Transmitter from Nautel
 
  UrsaNav News Release November 14, 2013
 
  Two Companies - One Dream
 
  UrsaNav Accepts Delivery of First Production Nautel NlAO eLoran
  Transmitter
 
  Bedford, Massachusetts, USA.- After extensive Final Acceptance Testing
  at
  Nautel's Hackett's Cove, NS facility, UrsaNav has accepted delivery of
  the
  first production NL40 Loran-C and Enhanced Loran (eLoran) transmitter.
  This
  seventh generation Loran transmitter technology is the culmination of
  over
  six years of collaborative development between the two companies.
 
  The transmitter successfully met or exceeded all of the requirements of
  the u.s. Coast Guard Specification of the Transmitted Loran-C Signal.
  Testing was conducted into a simulated antenna matching the
  characteristics
  of a u.s. Coast Guard standard 625-foot Top-Loaded Monopole. The
  NL-Series transmitters are capable of transmitting Loran-C, eLoran,
  Chayka,
  and eChayka in any combination at power levels exceeding one megawatt.
  They
  are qualified for today, and prepared for tomorrow.
 
  UrsaNav's President, Charles Schue, shown accepting the transmitter from
  Nautel's President, Peter Conlon, commented: Resilient PNT begins with
  complementary technologies, layered one upon the other in such a way
  that
  the user is ensured improved continuity of operations over a sole-source
  solution. eLoran is the terrestrial coprimary complement to GNSS, and
  our
  technology makes eLoran the most economical, efficient, and wide-area
  alternative when GNSS is not available.
 
  UrsaNav provides the world's most advanced solutions for Low Frequency
  Alternative Positioning, Navigation, Timing, and Data, including
  high-performance eLoran Receiver, Command and Control, and Differential
  Loran technology. We are the exclusive, global, reseller of Nautel's
  industry-leading, high-power, Low Frequency transmitters for
  Loran/eLoran
  and Chayka/eChayka.
 
  ---
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Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations

2013-11-14 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Bob,

Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has
everything listed:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6

I opted to get this though:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597


I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though.

Regards,
John


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:

 Hi

 If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what
 they are selling is “without lenses”. My impression was that you needed to
 focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not
 dig far enough to sort that part out.

 Bob

 On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. 
 j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote:

  Graham,
 
  Thanks - good info.  On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending
 on
  whether it is the T-862 or T-862++.
 
  So I guess that is a pretty good buy.
 
  Best Regards,
  John
  AJ6BC
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  John:
 
  We have one at work.  It basically works as represented.
 
  It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the
  safe settings for soldering different sized items.  It puts out a
  tremendous
  amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful.
  For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being
  reworked.
 
  You want to use it in a well ventilated area.  It heats the board to be
  reworked
  from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared
  from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question
  above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by.
 
  The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off
 strong
  odor when hot.  Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you
  are melting solder and flux.  So, good ventilation is highly
 recommended.
 
  You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder
  something valuable.  In the hands of a skilled operator, it does
 beautiful
  work.
 
  --- Graham
 
  ==
 
 
  On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
  I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework
 stations
  on the PCB's you work on -
 
  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%
  3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B
 
  Are these as good as advertised?
 
  Thanks In Advance,
  John Westmoreland
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Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic Sortof: Board Rework Stations

2013-11-14 Thread Glenn Little

This is the station that I bought.
It is not as sophisticated, but,not as much either.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/11632887?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

73
Glenn
WB4UIV



At 09:45 PM 11/14/2013, you wrote:

Bob,

Yes - you definitely need the appropriate lens - here is a seller that has
everything listed:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INFRARED-T862-SMT-SMD-REWORK-STATION-SOLDERING-WELDER-IRDA-BGA-MACHINE-/200949973718?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec98d42d6

I opted to get this though:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-T962A-INFRARED-IC-HEATER-REFLOW-OVEN-300X320MM-BGA-SMD-300x320mm-/200942081431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2ec914d597


I may still pick up one of the T-862++'s though.

Regards,
John


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:

 Hi

 If you look at the eBay listings they mention in some of them that what
 they are selling is without lenses. My impression was that you needed to
 focus the IR (like with a lens) to really get it to work well. I did not
 dig far enough to sort that part out.

 Bob

 On Nov 14, 2013, at 6:41 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. 
 j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote:

  Graham,
 
  Thanks - good info.  On eBay you can get these for ~$250.00 - depending
 on
  whether it is the T-862 or T-862++.
 
  So I guess that is a pretty good buy.
 
  Best Regards,
  John
  AJ6BC
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  John:
 
  We have one at work.  It basically works as represented.
 
  It takes some skill to run, and takes some time to develop the
  safe settings for soldering different sized items.  It puts out a
  tremendous
  amount of infrared heat, and you can melt things if you are not careful.
  For instance, it will melt plastic connectors close to the part being
  reworked.
 
  You want to use it in a well ventilated area.  It heats the board to be
  reworked
  from the underside to close to solder temperature, then uses infrared
  from the top side to push the temperature for the part in question
  above solder melting temp., and sometimes things close by.
 
  The underside heater is covered with silicon rubber, and gives off
 strong
  odor when hot.  Hot PCB boards give off strong odors, and of course, you
  are melting solder and flux.  So, good ventilation is highly
 recommended.
 
  You will need to practice on a few scrap boards before you try to solder
  something valuable.  In the hands of a skilled operator, it does
 beautiful
  work.
 
  --- Graham
 
  ==
 
 
  On 11/13/2013 9:00 PM, John C. Westmoreland, P.E. wrote:
 
  Hello All,
 
  I was wondering if anyone on this list has used the T862++ rework
 stations
  on the PCB's you work on -
 
  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%
  3Dtoolsfield-keywords=t862%2B%2Brh=n%3A228013%2Ck%3At862%2B%2B
 
  Are these as good as advertised?
 
  Thanks In Advance,
  John Westmoreland
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