Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Don Lewis
Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor? -Don -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Stewart Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread J. Forster
No. Wrong shape. -John == Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor? -Don -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Stewart Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
Here's a specific reference from 1931: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1931MNRAS..91..575B Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:55 AM To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
Sorry, I should have read the article. It was found by asking for Loomis moon pendulum The article is fascinating to Shortt clock fans, but does not mention the moon. Use their page back to get the whole article. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Bill Hawkins [mailto:b...@iaxs.net]

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Ed, k1ggi
Its not in the Loomis article, lunar influence is in the Brown and Brouwer analysis, beginning on pg. 581. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:12 AM To: 'Bill Hawkins';

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Knox
There should be some error if you are to buy into Dr Allan's new gravitational theory. Has anyone attempted to duplicate his experiments concerning high energy density effects on a Shortt Clock? I posted a link to Dr Allan's web site last night on this thread. Thomas Knox From:

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread J. Forster
If you are using both wires of a two-pin connector the question is moot. There are exquisitely detailed docs on connector assembly out there, both from the manufacturers and agencies like NASA. They include everything from tool settings, proper locators, to assembly torques. IMO, unless you are

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Bob, Not quite. You push the thick end of the plastic plug (technically a wire hole filler which says it all) into the rubber seal from the wire (back) side of the connector. You should of course have put an uncrimped pin in the positon first. There is some guidance here

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a Recent Measurements (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock#Recent_accuracy_measurement While it's probably true that the clock is stable to 200 uS per day (i.e. 2E-9) I believe Alfred

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
One could try claiming that Loomis was the first to make detailed measurements of a Shortt, but it would take some digging to prove he was first and not just one of the first. Just FYI: During my reading of BSTJ I noticed a reference to a paper by Loomis and Marrington at bottom of p4:

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
FWIW Let me just second Tom's last comment: Some of you readers might wonder why in this GPS age, two time nuts, each with plenty of atomic clocks at home, would be talking about vintage pendulum clocks. It turns out that pendulum clocks are still extremely interesting timekeepers, from an

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
Brian and Tom: I second as well. It's important to be aware of the past. Somewhere around here is a 4 ft length of Invar, 1/2 in. diameter. It was supposed to be a pendulum rod. However, I did read that Invar displays rearrangement noise of some kind. Kinda like the jumps in a quartz element? I

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread paul swed
Been reading and not getting tangled up. Agree that it seems like a reasonable subject. Though I have no pendulum clocks. I was struck by their beauty up in Canada at TVAs television studios. On the wall was this amazing clock on a huge slab of metal. All it needed was a battery. Other then that

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Here's a web page that has an annotated list of some patents applicable to pendulums: http://www.prc68.com/I/Pendulums.shtml Many of the early gravity meters were just pendulums, then came the falling corner reflectors. There are a couple of patents by Dicke and this one: 3036465

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
I always thought invar was the magic metal. Quartz rod? You can get those at some reasonable cost? 12 mm dia fused qtz, about $10 per ft, so under $40 to get going, assuming 4 or 5 to learn how to do it right. It does break... 12.7 mm dia Invar 1 m long is $530 Amazing, and quartz is better

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Don Latham
Brooke Clarke PS When I was working in microwave electronics we talked about the Dicke radiometer, but I haven't found any definitive web page about that. Gotta look at Radio Astronomy pages and history. Actually, Dicke was using that radiometer to look for the microwave cosmic background,

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements (Brooke Clarke)

2013-12-10 Thread johncroos
It is not surprising that one can find little about Alfred Loomis. He was notoriously publicity shy and never gave interviews. Before his death he had much of research material disposed of. However the private lab he created at Tuxedo Park NY. was a gathering place for all of the key scientists

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/10/13 5:57 PM, Don Latham wrote: I always thought invar was the magic metal. Quartz rod? You can get those at some reasonable cost? 12 mm dia fused qtz, about $10 per ft, so under $40 to get going, assuming 4 or 5 to learn how to do it right. It does break... 12.7 mm dia Invar 1 m long