Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Jan Boutsen
Yes, OH YES,


I am interested in your TM500 and HP5370 extender cards.


Jan  ON4MMW



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From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:43 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?


 Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender
cards to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a
different connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender
onto two boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The
board at the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the
other boards and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
 Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.
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[time-nuts] One man's noise is another man's signal...

2014-08-14 Thread Hal Murray
Tue evening, I went to a talk on Auroras and Solar Storms.  It was targeted 
as the general public so they didn't get into any technical details.

One of the pictures showed a GPS setup.  They were using it to measure free 
electrons in the ionosphere.


A friend found this in case anybody wants gory details:
  http://www.navipedia.net/index.php/Ionospheric_Delay


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Re: [time-nuts] One man's noise is another man's signal...

2014-08-14 Thread Collins, Graham

This is an interesting use of GPS, I had never considered the Aurora or solar 
storm angle before.

However, I am aware of the use of ionospheric scintillation and TEC 
measurements for ionospheric research and also for the study and detection of 
earthquakes.

Canadian High Arctic Ionospheric Network  (CHAIN) uses this technology

http://chain.physics.unb.ca/chain/pages/gps/

and a couple of links about the earthquake angel:

http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/doc/workshop2011/10_Vishal_Chauhan.pdf

http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/doc/workshop2011/12_O.P.%20Singh_Agra.pdf

I have been pondering how I could use as is or modify one of my GPS receivers 
to make these sorts of measurements. The CHAIN gps receivers use a OCXO but 
haven't figured out how to apply that to one of the GPS receivers I currently 
have or even if I could.

I have also been pondering whether I could approach from a different angle by 
using the range correction values provided Differential GPS (DGPS) radio 
beacons which broadcast range correction values for use with DGPS capable 
receivers. Seems to me that the Ionospheric effects on the GPS signal is 
reflected in the range correction values and it should be a matter of working 
backwards.

Cheers, Graham ve3gtc


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Of Hal Murray
Sent: August-14-14 4:32 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Cc: Hal Murray
Subject: [time-nuts] One man's noise is another man's signal...

Tue evening, I went to a talk on Auroras and Solar Storms.  It was targeted as 
the general public so they didn't get into any technical details.

One of the pictures showed a GPS setup.  They were using it to measure free 
electrons in the ionosphere.


A friend found this in case anybody wants gory details:
  http://www.navipedia.net/index.php/Ionospheric_Delay


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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Stan
Please sign me up for a set of the 5370 extender cards.

Thanks,
Stan

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:43:39 +
From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?
Message-ID: blu170-w114bcd2409bbd0835b5b8b8ce...@phx.gbl
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender
cards to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a
different connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender
onto two boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The
board at the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the
other boards and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.



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Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 Lamp Module Needed

2014-08-14 Thread Vasco Soares

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm aware that the tantalum capacitor is on of the weak points of the RF 
amplifer that excites the lamp. After testing the unit and using the 
monitoring software available I found that the problem relies on that 
specific part of the circuit. In fact the RF unit was burned like the 
tantalum capacitor you are refering. Last year I rebuild that circuit 
section interely with high quality components with good temperature 
reliability replacing the RF transistor, porcelain capacitors and metal film 
resistors. The lamp was heated up as well. The unit worked for about 6 
months. Now I found again that the signal strenght received by the photocell 
has droped below the acceptable value so there is no more I could do except 
to send it back to SRS for lamp replacement...


Regards,
Vasco Soares


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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] PRS10 Lamp Module Needed



Vasco,

As Brooke said it is unlikely there are spare PRS10 lamp modules found 
outside the manufacturer.  The probable reason is that when the PRS10 
units are assembled certain adjustments to the firmware are necessary such 
as the starting level and final bias of the FET oscillator transistor.  As 
far as I know, SRS has not revealed how to access to these factory 
settings.


It might be possible to repair your lamp assembly.  One point of failure 
is the Tantalum capacitor found in the lamp assembly.  Another possibility 
is that the heater resistor may have changed value or opened.  Although it 
looks daunting, it is possible to replace the FET power transistor; 
however, after replacing the transistor in one unit, I found the 
transistor's characteristics were a little different than the original and 
the operating parameters were not right.  I considered adding some 
external resistors to shift the biasing, but finally decided to try 
another transistor with somewhat different characteristics.  But in this 
second try I damaged the board.


If the rubidium bulb assembly is suffering from old age, it might be 
possible to improve it with a heat gun as discussed on this listt several 
times in the past.  The bulb is cemented in place, but it might be 
possible to remove and replace it.


Bruce, KG6OJI
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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Dave M
Count me in!!  Approx how long should they be ready to ship after you decide 
to proceed with the order?

I can prepay if necessary.

Thanks!!
Dave M


From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com

Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing
an extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin
extender cards to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain
board has a different connector spacing than the other boards so
splitting the extender onto two boards lets one be able to extend the
count chain board also).  The board at the front of the unit has a
different pin-count connector than the other boards and may not
warrant doing its own extender card. Is there any interest out there
in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon quantity,  cost should be
in the $15 to $20 range.




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[time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Mark Sims
It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get boards back once sent to the fab (in China).  
Supposedly the boards that I am having them do for another project should be 
here today and I can verify their quality.

I also laid out a 20 pin extender to connect the input board to the front 
panel,  but I don't think those would be too useful.  You can extend the other 
side of the input board/front panel using a 36 pin extender.

A while back I had the idea of doing a replacement board for the custom HP 
input comparator chips that fry is you overload the 5370 inputs.  Need to start 
looking at what that would take...  there are two different versions of that 
chip/input board.  The replacement could be for just the chip or the complete 
input board.

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 Approx how long should they be ready to ship after you decide to proceed with 
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[time-nuts] HP 5370 extender cards

2014-08-14 Thread Dave James
Mark:
Yes, please !
Dave James
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:43:39 +
From: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?
Message-ID: blu170-w114bcd2409bbd0835b5b8b8ce...@phx.gbl
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender
cards to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a
different connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender
onto two boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The
board at the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the
other boards and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.



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Re: [time-nuts] One man's noise is another man's signal...

2014-08-14 Thread Andy Bardagjy
One of my favorite alternate GPS applications is using the visibility of the 
satellites like tomographic beams to reconstruct the 3D geometry of buildings

http://www.kihwan23.com/papers/ISWC08/GPSRAY_ISWC08_short_final.pdf

Andy Bardagjy
bardagjy.com

On Aug 14, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Collins, Graham coll...@navcanada.ca wrote:

 
 This is an interesting use of GPS, I had never considered the Aurora or solar 
 storm angle before.
 
 However, I am aware of the use of ionospheric scintillation and TEC 
 measurements for ionospheric research and also for the study and detection of 
 earthquakes.
 
 Canadian High Arctic Ionospheric Network  (CHAIN) uses this technology
 
 http://chain.physics.unb.ca/chain/pages/gps/
 
 and a couple of links about the earthquake angel:
 
 http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/doc/workshop2011/10_Vishal_Chauhan.pdf
 
 http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/doc/workshop2011/12_O.P.%20Singh_Agra.pdf
 
 I have been pondering how I could use as is or modify one of my GPS receivers 
 to make these sorts of measurements. The CHAIN gps receivers use a OCXO but 
 haven't figured out how to apply that to one of the GPS receivers I currently 
 have or even if I could.
 
 I have also been pondering whether I could approach from a different angle by 
 using the range correction values provided Differential GPS (DGPS) radio 
 beacons which broadcast range correction values for use with DGPS capable 
 receivers. Seems to me that the Ionospheric effects on the GPS signal is 
 reflected in the range correction values and it should be a matter of working 
 backwards.
 
 Cheers, Graham ve3gtc
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On 
 Behalf Of Hal Murray
 Sent: August-14-14 4:32 AM
 To: time-nuts@febo.com
 Cc: Hal Murray
 Subject: [time-nuts] One man's noise is another man's signal...
 
 Tue evening, I went to a talk on Auroras and Solar Storms.  It was targeted 
 as the general public so they didn't get into any technical details.
 
 One of the pictures showed a GPS setup.  They were using it to measure free 
 electrons in the ionosphere.
 
 
 A friend found this in case anybody wants gory details:
  http://www.navipedia.net/index.php/Ionospheric_Delay
 
 
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[time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread David J Taylor

From the UK:


 The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement 
with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new 
service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated 
Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:


 
http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnewsutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=august2014

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[time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards? (Mark Sims)

2014-08-14 Thread BIll Ezell

On 8/13/14, 12:43 PM, Mark Sims wrote:


Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an 
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender cards 
to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a different 
connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender onto two 
boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The board at 
the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the other boards 
and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon 
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.


Absolutely, sign me up!

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Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread Iain Young

On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote:


  The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime®
- a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to
Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:

  
http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnewsutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=august2014


Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I
was there in May for their openday.

I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I
might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to
domestic premises!


Best Regards

Iain

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Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread David McGaw
There is no mention how they intend to implement this  trusted and 
traceable distribution service for the financial sector that completely 
eliminates reliance on GPS.  We saw how a loose connector can create a 
faster than light neutrino.  Good luck to them on being able to 
deliver on the promise.


David McGaw


On 8/14/14 1:34 PM, Iain Young wrote:

On 14/08/14 17:24, David J Taylor wrote:


  The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime®
- a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to
Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:

http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnewsutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=august2014


Heh. I saw this, and in fact remember it being mentioned at NPL when I
was there in May for their openday.

I'd love it, but I dread to think what the cost is, and I suspect I
might get a few odd looks when they realised they were delivering to
domestic premises!


Best Regards

Iain

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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
Just a few thoughts

The 5370A/B had a few extenders designed just for it, see page 1-7

Service Board 05370-60014 Not an extender but
added it to be complete
Extender Board   30 Pin X2  5060-0049This is a generic HP
extender
Extender Board   22 Pin X2  5060-0620Ditto
Extender Board   For A2205370-60074
Extender Board   For A7  05370-00076 A generic 6 Pin X2 is
shown as a sub
Extender Board   for A9-A1705370-60075 Digital section
Extender Board   for A18-A21  05370-60077 Analog section

Long ago by mistake I passed up on a 5370 service kit, don't know what is
unique about these boards

-pete


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an
 extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender
 cards to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a
 different connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender
 onto two boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).
  The board at the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector
 than the other boards and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
 Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon
 quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.
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Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread mike cook
WOW!   Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 !

Here it is..

All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be 
synchronized to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and 
Technology (NIST) atomic clock.

They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they 
even be able to get close?



Le 14 août 2014 à 18:24, David J Taylor a écrit :

 From the UK:
 
 The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution agreement 
 with trading technology company Intergence to deliver NPLTime® - a new 
 service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated 
 Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.  More:
 
 http://www.npl.co.uk/news/intergence-invests-in-npltime?utm_source=measurementnewsutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=august2014
 
 Cheers,
 David
 -- 
 SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements
 Web: http://www.satsignal.eu
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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Magnus Danielson

That would be very nice to have, yes.

Cheers,
Magnsu

On 08/13/2014 10:43 PM, Mark Sims wrote:

Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an 
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender cards 
to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a different 
connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender onto two 
boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The board at 
the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the other boards 
and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon 
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.  
 
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Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime® - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread Jim Lux

On 8/14/14, 11:12 AM, mike cook wrote:

WOW!   Guaranteeing compliance with FINRA OATS 7430 !

Here it is..

All computer system clocks and mechanical time stamping devices must be synchronized 
to within three seconds of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) 
atomic clock.

They are going to have their work cut out.. dedicated fibre cable.. will they 
even be able to get close?




3 seconds is pretty loose though...I could probably distribute time to 
within 3 seconds using radio.


Those finance people are concerned about microseconds. They're setting 
up (or have set up) a through the air microwave link from New York to 
Chicago (I think.. somewhere in that area) because it is faster than 
sending the data via fiber.  After all, air has an index closer to 1 
than silica, and over 100s of km, that makes a difference.




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[time-nuts] HP 5355 boards

2014-08-14 Thread Bill Reed
Hi,

I have a set of extender boards for the HP 5355 as follows:

05355-60023
05335-60025
05355-60021
05355-60020
05355-60024

If $ 75.00 including shipping in US seems reasonable contact me or make offer.

Bill Reed

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Re: [time-nuts] FYI: NPLTime(R) - a new service providing a precise time signal directly traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.

2014-08-14 Thread Wojciech Owczarek
NPL Time will be delivered to access centres where those finance people are
already present, from there it's only a matter of a crossconnect from their
kit to the client and other operators.

Regarding the three seconds - this is about to radically change with the
upcoming EU directives (MIFID II) and US ones (SEC regulations) are brought
out. We may see a 100 us target.

Obviously with timing distance is of less importance as long as links are
of symmetric latencies and low packet delay variation.
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Re: [time-nuts] NPLTime - a new service

2014-08-14 Thread Charles Steinmetz

David

The National Physical Laboratory (NPL) has signed a distribution 
agreement with trading technology company Intergence to deliver 
NPLTime - a new service providing a precise time signal directly 
traceable to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) and independent of GPS.


Great, if you live in Canary Wharf.  (There will be one hub in the 
London Docklands, according to the 2-page brochure, with the last 
mile delivered by dedicated, certified Ethernet link from NPL's rack 
at the hub to the customer's premises.)  Clearly designed to serve 
the financial industry.  One nice feature is that traceability is 
certified to the customer's premises.


I'd love to know what it costs (when speculating, keep in mind that 
it was designed to serve the financial industry and is likely priced 
accordingly).


Also, are customers contractually prohibited from selling further 
distribution of certified time services?


Best regards,

Charles



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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread swingbyte

On 14/08/2014 06:43, Mark Sims wrote:

Well,  after doing my TM500 extender cables,  I was thinking of doing an 
extender board for the HP5370 boards.  It would take two 36 pin extender cards 
to extend a card out of the card cage (the count chain board has a different 
connector spacing than the other boards so splitting the extender onto two 
boards lets one be able to extend the count chain board also).  The board at 
the front of the unit has a different pin-count connector than the other boards 
and may not warrant doing its own extender card.
Is there any interest out there in HP5370 extender cards?   Depending upon 
quantity,  cost should be in the $15 to $20 range.  
 


Can you send one to Australia?
Then heres another me too please :)

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Re: [time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread paul swed
Let me know when things settle. Most likely will want a set.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote:

 It usually takes 2-3 weeks to get boards back once sent to the fab (in
 China).  Supposedly the boards that I am having them do for another project
 should be here today and I can verify their quality.

 I also laid out a 20 pin extender to connect the input board to the front
 panel,  but I don't think those would be too useful.  You can extend the
 other side of the input board/front panel using a 36 pin extender.

 A while back I had the idea of doing a replacement board for the custom HP
 input comparator chips that fry is you overload the 5370 inputs.  Need to
 start looking at what that would take...  there are two different versions
 of that chip/input board.  The replacement could be for just the chip or
 the complete input board.

 --

  Approx how long should they be ready to ship after you decide to proceed
 with the order?
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[time-nuts] HP5370 extender cards?

2014-08-14 Thread Mark Sims
Yes,  can ship world wide.  Not sure what the postage will be,  but should not 
be too bad.

I'm leaning towards a 3 card set as the standard.  Two of the 36 pin extenders 
and one of the 44 pin.  There are a couple of other misc boards in the machine 
with different pin counts (oscillator,  oscillator power,  oscillator buffer) 
but those three should be able to handle most of the work.   If you really 
needed to extend the 30 pin oscillator or buffer cards,  you could hack up a 36 
pin card.  

I got my other projects' boards in from China today.  They look good.  Now to 
get the TM500 and 5370 boards on order. 
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