Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread EWKehren
Sorry but I disagree. Having done extensive work with the M7 and M6 in connection with the with GPSDO work we are doing we have characterized the units extensively. First from what we can see the difference between a SSR-6T and a $ 16 M6 is that one has a TCXO and outputs sawtooth

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Tony
Said, On 20/08/2014 15:42, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi Tony, that's consistent with what I remember. Do you have the capability to count the number of 10MHz pulses per second to see if it is phase-coherent with the UTC 1PPS pulse? I don't have any means to do that at the moment - when I

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread David J Taylor
From: Tony As I said, I measured the pulses at either 104ns (9.6MHz), with some being shorter at 84ns. I've just repeated the measurements on a Reyax RYN25AI (UBLOX MAX-7C) with the same results. Actually the scope measures the longer pulses at either 104.3ns or 105.2ns and the shorter pulses at

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Kemppainen
FYI. It is still available. Don't have it in hand yet, but one was ordered just a few days ago... Dan On 8/21/2014 6:34 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: One example is Synergy Systems' SSR-6Tr if it's still available. It was announced, and discussed on this list, in 2012 but it still

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Bert, I don't think we have any fundamental disagreement here. Maybe just a difference in emphasis. On 8/21/2014 4:34 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Sorry but I disagree. Having done extensive work with the M7 and M6 in connection with the with GPSDO work we are doing we have characterized

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Tony
David, No problem, its still set-up. As you'd expect its rock solid at 8MHz with no visible jitter. Can you point me to the datasheet you're referring to? The MAX-7 and NEO-7 datasheets don't provide any information on clocking. In the 'u-blox 7 Receiver Description Including Protocol

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Tony
On 21/08/2014 08:13, Ed Palmer wrote: But, timing receivers do have features that can improve performance over navigation receivers. Some that come to mind are position hold mode, TRAIM, maintaining performance with only one satellite locked, sawtooth correction, and precision survey. I

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Tony tn...@toneh.demon.co.uk wrote: I just tried sending various TMODE and TMODE2 configuration messages to the NEO-7M. These allow you to select 'Disabled' 'Survey In' and 'Fixed Mode' where you can specify the receiver's lattitude and longitude. Not

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Björn
Have not tried myself, but there are instructions around describing how to load T-firmware into non T ublox models. There also seem to be possible to patch the program ram to enable looked features on models without flash reprogramming capability. /Björn div Originalmeddelande

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Ed Palmer
Paul, How far from the equator are you? The farther you are, the more trouble GPS has measuring your latitude due to worsening geometry. By the way, does anyone know what the timing effects of that will be? Is it documented anywhere? I noticed that the GLONASS satellites have a higher

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 21 Aug, 2014, at 16:27 , Tony tn...@toneh.demon.co.uk wrote: David, No problem, its still set-up. As you'd expect its rock solid at 8MHz with no visible jitter. Can you point me to the datasheet you're referring to? The MAX-7 and NEO-7 datasheets don't provide any information on

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Hal Murray
tn...@toneh.demon.co.uk said: Tony, any chance you could do a quick measurement at 8 MHz - I think that should be a more constant period. ... No problem, its still set-up. As you'd expect its rock solid at 8MHz with no visible jitter. I don't think you have fixed the problem, just made

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread SAIDJACK
Hal, Except for a few magic target frequencies, the output will have occasional (or frequent) missing or extra cycles. The output will be clean if you are dividing by a power of 2. (By switching from 10 MHz to 8 MHz, you have changed from frequent to occasional.) Not true that

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Drown
Quoting Tony tn...@toneh.demon.co.uk: I don't have any means to do that at the moment - when I get time I'll try programming my STM32F4 discovery board (168MHz ARM Cortex M4) to take some measurements. However as I haven't used the timers on that yet it'll take a bit of time to get it

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: How far from the equator are you? I believe 43.235262699 N (my median position) is about 4,809,051 meters from the equator. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread EWKehren
Ed We may be talking past each other I had problems with the statement that the basic M6 and M7 are not suitable for GPSDO's. They are not GPSDO's in them self but great GPS engines even without saw tooth correction which is an impossibility since the data is not available. But as you

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I would bet that they drop / add a cycle whenever the output gets ahead or behind GPS by the appropriate (TCXO period) amount. The output stays “in phase” with GPS (sort of). The output spectrum looks messy …. Why would I guess this - it’s the cheap / low computation way to do it. Playing

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Ed Palmer
I'm at about 50 N. I used a Navsync CW-12 connected to a VIC-100 antenna to do a long site survey and got the following results: Latitude: 1.32 meters Std Dev., -1 to +4 meters total range Longitude: 1.18 meters Std Dev., -3 to +1 meters total range Height:3.90 meters Std Dev., +6.6 to

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread Paul
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: Since you're closer to the equator your results should be somewhat better than mine. You could use these numbers to help decide if you've got a problem or not. I was unclear. My point was (since I'm really an absolute

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox neo-7M GPS

2014-08-21 Thread David J Taylor
David, No problem, its still set-up. As you'd expect its rock solid at 8MHz with no visible jitter. Can you point me to the datasheet you're referring to? The MAX-7 and NEO-7 datasheets don't provide any information on clocking. In the 'u-blox 7 Receiver Description Including Protocol