Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Keep in mind that the OCXO is likely (if it’s a modern part) optimized for TC at it’s normal thermal gain. The gain and set point are adjusted for a flat curve. If you bump either the gain or the set point you rotate the curve. Bob On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:36 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > Cha

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bert wrote: As I said before am waiting for the small spheres and will see what happens. Monitor carefully, as I suspect the spheres will pack too tightly leaving too little airspace. You could easily burn down an OCXO if this proves to be the case and the oven control loop goes unstable.

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Efratom that the original poster was referring to. All of the Efratom’s with PPS in pretty much work the same way. It’s one of those options you go crazy trying to find an example of and when you do it’s “ho hum, let’s look for something else”. Bob On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:19 PM, ewkeh..

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Charles I use double bobble pack inside the Alu channel and I always start out by monitoring the OCXO and make sure it is at least 10 C below the spec range. The tbolt is center located and I use a combination of rubber mounts but suspended that they sell for hard drives and squares of double

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Bob which Efratom are you talking about? Bert In a message dated 8/24/2014 6:33:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi It is not what is done in the Efratom Rb’s. Their pps input is set up to get things on frequency / on time quickly. The assumption is that you plug it

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It is not what is done in the Efratom Rb’s. Their pps input is set up to get things on frequency / on time quickly. The assumption is that you plug it into a pps to get it “right” and then take off on your mission. That takes them into the short (for a Rb) time constant region. Bob On Aug

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: I think that's what's done in the SRS PRS10 http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want / shou

[time-nuts] Effect of sampling intervals on ADEV measurements

2014-08-24 Thread Robert Darby
I compared an Austron 1250A to an FTS 1050A, both 5 MHz quartz frequency standards. I beat both against a 5Hz offset using a Riley DMTD device to provide a 1e6 time resolution increase. There was about a 1.15e-10 frequency difference between the two oscillators (two weeks on, it's about 5.6s-1

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Dave M
Hi Dave, On 8/23/2014 3:51 PM, Dave M wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what the

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Charles I agree with every thing you wrote and I am implementing many of your recommendations. Forty years ago I bought a 15 foot Alu channel to make small frequency counter housings, always small, and at the time I did have access to a machine shop so I made end plates. Still have five foot

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The typical small Rb’s are temperature compensated. They have a real tempco of a bit less than a ppb. It gets corrected to about 10X better than that using data from an internal temp sensor. Correction is often three point, so it may or may not track the actual performance of the unit at al

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Hal there is not one straight answer, as mentioned before these units are intended for commercial applications with large temperature ranges. Most have added frequency compensation using heater current sensing for C field adjustment or in the case of the FE 5680A DDS control. Looking close a

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread cfo
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:51:06 -0500, Dave M wrote: > Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 > Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That > would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the > GPSDO. Still trying to understa