Re: [time-nuts] Datachron 3070

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi 10 MHz at roughly 10 dbm is a pretty good bet. That’s *if* it uses an external reference and not just something like IRIG. It’s not really clear that they all do have external reference capability (despite the jack). Bob On Sep 5, 2014, at 1:00 AM, Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote: Has

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi Bob, Being relatively new to this 'high end' time stuff, there's lots to learn... So, how much bandwidth might a typical OCXO have on the EFC pin? My assumption is that it is very low, but I have nothing to back that up. If I had 10Mhz or some other high frequency on the EFC line, would a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Some OCXO schematics: http://leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ http://leapsecond.com/museum/10811a/ /tvb (i5s) On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Hi Bob, Being relatively new to this 'high end' time stuff, there's lots to learn... So, how much bandwidth

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Oh, while we are at it, how about the 10543? Cheers, Magnus On 09/05/2014 03:49 PM, Tom Van Baak (lab) wrote: Some OCXO schematics: http://leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ http://leapsecond.com/museum/10811a/ /tvb (i5s) On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote:

[time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 3210 Cesium Standard

2014-09-05 Thread Chris
Hi Tom, Just catching up and time for an update on progress. Had had to put the faulty 3210 to one side this week to get some work done, but a couple of developments meantime: First: Put an enquiry on the Oscilloquartz web enquiry form a week or so ago and they sent me the full 3210 pdf

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Tom, Awesome! Thanks! Section 2-14. Since noise on the EFC line affects the oscillator's stability (noise appears as FM on the output) care must be taken to ensure that a relatively noise free EFC... I was thinking the Varactor had be tied to the crystal, which only makes sense. So, the bottom

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian Have not downloaded the info yet. But I was surprised by the fact you were using LORAN sooo you must be in Europe. Lucky you to have such a fine signal. Great job on the tic. Now to go download the bits. Thanks again. Regards Paul. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Tom Van Baak

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian what files are needed? Forgive me if its in the read me. Thanks On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Have not downloaded the info yet. But I was surprised by the fact you were using LORAN sooo you must be in Europe. Lucky you to have such a fine

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread Iain Young
Hey Paul, Grab the tarball, it contains each of the other files in that directory. And yes, the README tells you what you need to do. Note you will need the PRUSS compiler end probably the AM335x PRU Package to compile. Google for it, or grab this one via git:

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Alex Pummer
no that is not so bad, there --inside of the box is always a small RC which takes care the RF can't get into the oscillator, just look the oscillator circuirs 73 Alex On 9/5/2014 10:18 AM, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Tom, Awesome! Thanks! Section 2-14. Since noise on the EFC line affects the

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Andrew Rodland
After some productive work, and some frustrating weeks spent fighting weird flakiness and needlessly replacing components, only to find that the problems went away after I reseated my main power connector, IT WORKS! Here's where I am now: * Main board: Arduino Due (ATSAM3X ARM Cortex-M3 CPU @

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread paul swed
Ian Thank you On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Iain Young i...@g7iii.net wrote: Hey Paul, Grab the tarball, it contains each of the other files in that directory. And yes, the README tells you what you need to do. Note you will need the PRUSS compiler end probably the AM335x PRU Package to

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
d...@irtelemetrics.com said: If I had 10Mhz or some other high frequency on the EFC line, would a typical OCXO respond to that? Some VCXOs actually specify their bandwidth. High audio is sometimes useful. I haven't seen anything beyond that, but I'm just listening to discussions like this

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Ryan Stasel
Andrew, My only comment, since I’m working on something very similar myself (just a GPS frequency standard that will be able to have the OCXO shut off, and just output 1PPS for an NTP system), would be to not output any signal/pps/ntp timing unless you have a solid GPS lock, since before that,

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input?

2014-09-05 Thread dan
The schematic provided shows two 20K resistors in series with the varactor. So, yes there is some RC time constant. But is it enough to filter our 100Hz or 1Khz, or 100Khz? I'll have to pull out the calculator. The other issue, is I don't know how my OCXO is built. No schematic. Also, don't

Re: [time-nuts] Poor Mans TIC (Using Beaglebone onboard PRU)

2014-09-05 Thread Jason Ball
This is interesting. Im in the process of building my first GPSDO, it would be interesting to use the PRU to monitor and validate that device, obviously to the limit of the PRU's accuracy. I have several BBB's sitting here waiting for a project. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 7:14 AM, paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Alex Pummer
it is not so easy to FM modulate a crystal oscillator, since the crystal has a high Q therefore the modulation bandwidth of a crystal oscillator is very narrow example: Q = F/dF - df = F/Q if F = 10MHz, Q = 60,000 dF = 166Hz 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 9/5/2014 1:10 PM, Hal Murray wrote:

[time-nuts] Measurement of noise voltage density on batteries from 0.1 Hz .. 1MHz

2014-09-05 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
I have made some measurements on the noise voltage density in batteries. The short result is: 1. NiCd rulez. 2. Size DOES matter. A longer result is under http://www.hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de/downloads/NoiseMeasurementsOnChemicalBatteries.pdf You must use the direct link, it

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Stasel rsta...@uoregon.edu wrote: Cool idea though. I’ve found very few (none) instances of people actually running NTP servers from arduino hardware… most use Raspi or the like. Note the Arduino Due has an ARM based CPU inside. It's not jet the old AVR

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input? (Bob Camp)

2014-09-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Oddly enough (and yes it is odd) you can modulate an oscillator well outside the crystal’s bandwidth. The bigger issue is that the EFC does not pull the crystal very far on a normal OCXO. The FM modulation index drops to very small numbers pretty fast as you go up in modulation frequency.

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-05 Thread Dan Rae
Panasonic EYP-1BF115 Thermal Cutoff 115C 1A, part number P10912 from Digikey is a perfect fit to replace the original -hp- part. Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Ryan Stasel
On Sep 5, 2014, at 17:34 , Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Ryan Stasel rsta...@uoregon.edu wrote: Cool idea though. I’ve found very few (none) instances of people actually running NTP servers from arduino hardware… most use Raspi or the

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement of noise voltage density on batteries

2014-09-05 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Gerhard wrote: I have made some measurements on the noise voltage density in batteries. The short result is: 1. NiCd rulez. 2. Size DOES matter. Nice work! (But not exactly news.) As noted in the NIST paper you quote, the noise of batteries is very closely correlated with their internal

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input?

2014-09-05 Thread dan
Hi Bob  You have some good observations. Spread spectrum clocking is one I hadn't considered when looking at this problem. In that case the crystal is pulled a bunch. (It's also cheating in my opinion!)  Correcting for mechanical vibration in aircraft would also tend to indicate it's

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Andrew Rodland
Well, my *previous* clock was on the Mega 2560 (an AVR chip, although admittedly one with more code space and IO than usual). I made some mention of it back in 2012. It had 500ns timer granularity and no Rb (just DPLL of a timer running off of the onboard crystal) but it still managed well enough

Re: [time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-09-05 Thread Bill Dailey
I was wondering if a board like the udoo would help your ntp performance. I have one and would be willing to try this configuration. Have you posted your source? I think I got confused as to who was doing this. I don't have a rubidium but I have a 6T on a breakout and a couple of very good

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Voltage Input?

2014-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
This topic comes up every few years. I found an interesting thread back in late 2006. Typical EFC frequency response (bandwidth) of a OCXO https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2006-December/022758.html -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.