Re: [time-nuts] Any reason not to use one power amplifier and splitter for distribution amplifier?

2015-01-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, I was doing some phase noise measurements today at a friends place. The Rapco 1804M was about -110 dBc/Hz at 10 kHz. It was 30 dB higher up from the HP5065A, which was some 10 dB higher than the BVA. On the other hand, when viewing the ADEV and TDEV, it became apparent that the Rapco has

Re: [time-nuts] Any reason not to use one power amplifier and splitter for distribution amplifier?

2015-01-06 Thread Tom Knox
Good point Bob, in my humble opinion Low Noise is about -115 @ 1 Hz dropping to about -165 @ 10KHz for 5 MHz about 3dB higher for 10MHz. Which from my testing will tax the noise floors of a fair number of application specific products. It is true that most of these distribution amps sold today

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jan 5, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bob, There are 2 oscillator on board, one 8MHz for MCU one 125MHz for FPGA. I've took it down from the board, and changed MCU to use internal RC oscillator for MCU and PLL to mutilply refclk to 200MHz for FPGA. I will try

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, If you have a stable delay of 198 ns, and we can't figure out why it is bad, bad, bad, then just calibrate it and compensate for it. I would be curious to figure out where it is. I don't have the full system insight right now. It sounds like you need two coarse count cycles (I think you

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jan 5, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've confirmed that it's 198ns between start and stop with my racal dana 1992. I've spent days to learn how to compensate this 2ns in Quartus. However, it's not something easy for me to do. It’s not something that anybody

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Actually, I dont want to ask my colledge for help. Everytime ,for each guy I ask for help, I need expain the entire system and principle of a frequency counter to him. They just keep asking questions instead of answering mine. In defense of the hardware guys, there are a lot of questions

[time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-06 Thread ct1dmk
Hi, With a multiturn pot and a 78L05 I can get a 0 to 5V EFC to tune an OCXO on desired freq. But... maybe other voltage regulators or other scheme have better temp stability than the old 78L05. Before I crawl lost in new'ish fancy regulator land does anybody know the killer solution/IC for

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-06 Thread d0ct0r
Hello, As I am in the process of creation of my own Nixie clocks. And it probably good time frame to clarify one thing about leap seconds. In my project I am using GPS module as an option to have current UTC time and also to have 1PPS signal to do auto-adjustment for external RTC module.

Re: [time-nuts] Any reason not to use one power amplifier and splitter for distribution amplifier?

2015-01-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 4 January 2015 at 02:37, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: I was looking to make a 10 MHz distribution amp to feed test equipment with the output of a GPSDO. I see this

Re: [time-nuts] Any reason not to use one power amplifier and splitter for distribution amplifier?

2015-01-06 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Dave wrote: At 50 MHz, the loss from the common port is 12.8 dB, and the isolation between two ports sets of ports is either 38 or 48 dB To get the worst-case output-to-output isolation, you need to test two output ports that are electrically adjacent (i.e., that share the same last 2:1

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-06 Thread ct1dmk
Hi Bob, That is the issue, it doesn't. (the 2,3 different types I would like to use none of them have it, so I will be making a small pcb with the trimpot and the regulator and some capacitors etc). Luis Cupido. ct1dmk On 1/7/2015 1:09 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: Does your oscillator have a VRef

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Does your oscillator have a VRef output?  If so, use that instead of a regulator.  It's cleaner and usually temperature compensated. Bob From: ct1dmk ct1...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:40 PM

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
Here's a nixie clock using javascript. It includes a leap second count down which is now active: http://leapsecond.com/java/nixie.htm For your project, any GPS module with 1PPS output is a start. Those with NMEA output are problematic. First, there is no advanced notice that a leap second

Re: [time-nuts] Any reason not to use one power amplifier and splitter for distribution amplifier?

2015-01-06 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Just to say, the comment on the graphs that the VNA covers 50 MHz to 20 MHz, is obviously wrong. My 8720D covers 50 MHz to 20 GHz. I do have another couple of VNAs here that cover 10 MHz. I will do some more measurements, with a more suitable VNA when I have both splitters here and some time for

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-06 Thread Wojciech Owczarek
On 7 Jan 2015 00:23, d0ct0r t...@patoka.org wrote: Hello, The same question is for UNIX epoch time. How computers knows if it is necessary to add leap seconds ? During the event, the kernel raw time (assuming UTC) will go from 23:59:58.9 straight to 00:00:00.0 when removing

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Li Ang
Hi Magnus You are right, I could compensate it in the software. I've tried that. The software sets sig=ref=10MHz and measures start-to-stop time t1. Then, it sets sig=ref=5MHz and measures time t2. With t1 t2, I could get the time difference between the start path and the stop path. Repeat it

Re: [time-nuts] schematics of frequency counter

2015-01-06 Thread Li Ang
Hi Bob, Actually, I dont want to ask my colledge for help. Everytime ,for each guy I ask for help, I need expain the entire system and principle of a frequency counter to him. They just keep asking questions instead of answering mine. :( The 2 MV89As are powered by the same power supply