Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/20/15 3:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote: I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from bac

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/20/2015 1:16 PM, Alex Pummer wrote: Actually a YIG, even "standalone" has very good phase noise performance, as long as the tuning current is quite, once upon the time HP made some cheaper version of the 856x-es spectrum analyzers [ perhaps that was the 95xx ] they had the first LO just "sta

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It’s almost enough to get one to sign up for a course at the local college every decade or so, just to be able to legitimately get student copies of some of this stuff. === That said, a lot of these companies do quite a bit to support education. I’ve seen them toss out a *lot* of licens

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread paul swed
OK I can see I am in the same boat I always have been old HP gear as mentioned above. Still I will install and tinker for some fun. I mean the factthat you can interface to arduinos for control of bits and such could be useful. Will have to see. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 6:03 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: When I was working with LV you could run the program on a Mac, Windows or Unix without any changes. It's my understanding that's still true. Note the instruments that accept SCPI commands are pretty much interchangeable. It's the "R2D2" commands that are model number specific. The

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread paul swed
Well this looks interesting. You can download what appears to be the same bundle for a free 45 day trial. Doing that at the moment. Then there is the NI-Visa download and it has gpib. Not sure what much of this means in reality. What drivers do they have to get to the old clasical fat GPIB used on

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola Oncore UT+ firmware upgrade & backup power questions

2015-06-20 Thread Hal Murray
gign...@gmail.com said: > I didnt see this well answered - the device loads firmware at each start > cycle. If i am not mistaken you can even use ntp. I just scanned the ntp source code for the Oncore driver. I didn't see any hints of loading firmware. There is code to read the firmware vers

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Dave Daniel
I wish the MathWorks would resume that practice. Back in the late 90s they would sell one licenses for MatLab and SimuLink for an affordable price if one singed an agreement that restricted one to personal (specifically, non-commercial) use. My copy from back then is so old that it won't run on

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Alex Pummer
Actually a YIG, even "standalone" has very good phase noise performance, as long as the tuning current is quite, once upon the time HP made some cheaper version of the 856x-es spectrum analyzers [ perhaps that was the 95xx ] they had the first LO just "standing alone" no PLL, and drifted away,

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Brent Gordon
Here's the National Instruments web page about the "Maker" (I also hate that term) version. It is the same as the $2999 Full version with the addition of the $2119 Control and Simula

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 20 June 2015 at 04:18, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > It is interesting as you go through the various student and home versions, > just how > hard it is to figure out what you are (and are not) buying in each case. > One example > would be the inclusion (or not) of GPIB capability. One would *assum

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Gav
They provide an evaluation version that lasts for 45 days, and if you like it you can buy the 'LabView Home Bundle' for $49. Apparently the home version is Windows-only, which I sadly didn't realise till after a 1.4GB download. I can't complain too much, though, given the price and the feature set

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 6/20/2015 6:25 AM, Jim Lux wrote: This makes a good case for the "30dB/decade very close in" Somewhat had asked about "how" close in the 30 dB/decade is good for. There is a reference about this issue. The book Edson: Vacuum Tube Oscillators has what I believe is the first published cal

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
HI > On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > > On 6/19/15 9:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> One of the most interesting things about the last paper mentioned: >>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Charles Steinmetz >>> wrote: >>> >>> Rick wrote: >>> However, a better tutorial would

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: That's exactly the question I had yesterday. I was a certified LabView programmer and yesterday was thinking about having a local computer store making me a WIN 3.1 computer so I could run my old LV code and write some new code. I may still do that, but for now I have the $50 LV Home

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola Oncore UT+ firmware upgrade & backup power questions

2015-06-20 Thread Neil Schroeder
I didnt see this well answered - the device loads firmware at each start cycle. If i am not mistaken you can even use ntp. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Adrian Godwin wrote: > Seiko and some other manufacturers used Supercaps for a while in their > Kinetic watches. Electrically they're fine

[time-nuts] SR-620 noise floor question

2015-06-20 Thread Matthias Jelen
Dear Time-Nuts, I played around with my SR-620 counter and TimeLab and got strange ADEV curves, so I started to investigate a bit. The SR-620 is equipped with Option 1, the high performance Wenzel OCXO - specified with 5E-12 at tau = 1s. I tried to evaluate the counters noisefloor. I fed 10 M

Re: [time-nuts] potential source for cheap copy of labview

2015-06-20 Thread brent evers
Interesting in your take on it if you check it out. Please report back your findings. Brent On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Eric Garner wrote: > National Instruments (and may other vendors of software) has apparently > cottoned on to the fact that if they don't start catering to the "Maker" >

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/19/15 9:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi One of the most interesting things about the last paper mentioned: On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Rick wrote: However, a better tutorial would be the one written by HP's Dieter Scherer which was published in Microwaves & RF Magaz

Re: [time-nuts] Close in phase noise of microwave VCOs

2015-06-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One of the most interesting things about the last paper mentioned: > On Jun 19, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > > Rick wrote: > >> However, a better tutorial would be the one written by >> HP's Dieter Scherer which was published in Microwaves >> & RF Magazine (or possibly Microw