Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 repair

2015-08-26 Thread ziggy9+time-nuts
This was exactly the case on my Rb. It was suggested by the OEM that one could directly connect the 0/5V serial connection to a PC RS232 serial port (but with the warning that reversing the TX/RX connection could destroy it). So the polarity was inverse from what you'd normally expect on a 0/5V

[time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Lux
For a project at work, I'm looking for a good close in phase noise oscillator (better than -100dBc@ 10Hz, -120dBc would be nice) at 100 MHz in a SMT form factor. But it doesn't need good temperature stability. There's tons of SMT OCXOs out there with reasonably good performance, but they draw

Re: [time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2015-08-26 01:47, Anders Wallin wrote: Hi all, Is there a ready made set of scripts for monitoring a bunch of NTP servers? Preferably for generic unix/linux like ubuntu. I imagine it would look something like: 1. measure data with a test machine, either use output of ntpq -p or perhaps

Re: [time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread Hal Murray
anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com said: Is there a ready made set of scripts for monitoring a bunch of NTP servers? Preferably for generic unix/linux like ubuntu. ntpd includes optional logging facilities to collect most of the raw data you might want to analyze. Details are in monopt.html If

Re: [time-nuts] measuring os latency for pps

2015-08-26 Thread Hal Murray
It would be interesting to hear what (if any?) real-time kernels are used on NTP servers and if that is one way to measure/generate 1PPS input/output. There are 2 ways to process PPS timing. The traditional way is for a change on a modem control signal on a serial port to generate an

Re: [time-nuts] SRS PRS10 repair

2015-08-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 08/26/2015 06:28 AM, Brian M wrote: Hi - So I took the time tonight to poke at things with the scope. Hopefully it will be of interest. First off, I probed the MCU (MC68HC11) TX line directly. And, it looks like I misstated in my last mail. The MCU itself is 5V TX idle TTL Serial. On

Re: [time-nuts] measuring os latency for pps

2015-08-26 Thread Andrew Symington
Dan Drown has also done some interesting work with PPS latency measurements on BBB (it's been posted to time-nuts before). He essentially measured the difference between the PPS input capture count and the count at which the ISR was serviced in a kernel module. His experiments suggest somewhere

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/26/15 1:28 PM, steve heidmann via time-nuts wrote: Rakon has always impressed me . I'll take a look. The online datasheets don't have phase noise data for close in frequencies (at least the 3 I looked at).. some give a integrated jitter but it's for 12kHz and out, and I've noticed

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 26.08.2015 um 22:04 schrieb Javier Herrero: I suppose that one of the alternatives that you've explored are the ABLNO from Abracon http://www.abracon.com/Precisiontiming/ABLNO.pdf looks just like this one from Crystek: http://www.digikey.de/product-search/de?keywords=cvhd-950 but that

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese GPSDO 10 MHz error

2015-08-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Further investigation by list members in China came back with the information that this particular design is indeed a FLL. The error is considered “acceptable” by the designer. This is not the case on the various CDMA oriented GPSDO’s we typically play with in the US and Europe. All of

Re: [time-nuts] Chinese GPSDO 10 MHz error

2015-08-26 Thread Tim Shoppa
Full KE5FX evaluation of BG7TBL GPSDO here: http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm I'm wondering out loud if it might, like many hobbyist GPSDO's, be frequency-locked rather than phase-locked and thus susceptible to last-digit-counter bobble in some long-averaging counter. Tim N3QE On Wed, Aug 26,

Re: [time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, Is there a ready made set of scripts for monitoring a bunch of NTP servers? Preferably for generic unix/linux like ubuntu. I imagine it would look something like: 1. measure data with a test machine, either use output of ntpq -p or perhaps python and ntplib. Variable measurement

Re: [time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread David Holland
I have some pieces and parts inside of a Zabbix instance that do some home-class NTP monitoring. No alerts configured, but I wouldn't anticipate those being difficult to add.. I can forward (or send to the list) templates if anyone is interested. David On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM, David

[time-nuts] 3 corner hat

2015-08-26 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Thank you for the answers. I've already posted my formulas that work for phase noise. But John, I will now try your method with the Timepod and see how they compare. I did get the N corner to work with the Timepod, but as you say, that's for ADEV. Just a personal note. The

Re: [time-nuts] 3 corner hat for phase noise

2015-08-26 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I asked for a 3 corner hat measurement for phase noise. Managed to work it out myself. In case anyone else wants to know: First of all Timepod does do it but only for Allan Deviation. But I wanted it for phase noise. So if you make three phase noise measurements A vs B (call result

Re: [time-nuts] measuring os latency for pps

2015-08-26 Thread Anders Wallin
Back in 2012 while playing with LinuxCNC, a program for real-time control of CNC machines, I made a few graphs on the real-time vs. normal kernel performance: http://www.anderswallin.net/?s=latency These are purely software generated and measured events (i.e. we set a thread to run at 1 ms

[time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread Anders Wallin
Hi all, Is there a ready made set of scripts for monitoring a bunch of NTP servers? Preferably for generic unix/linux like ubuntu. I imagine it would look something like: 1. measure data with a test machine, either use output of ntpq -p or perhaps python and ntplib. Variable measurement interval,

Re: [time-nuts] 3 corner hat

2015-08-26 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Re my measurements with the timepod. John Miles has now saved me a ton of work by telling me how to using three sources in the timepod, to automatically get the absolute phase noise of a device (without having to result to 3 corner formulae). John, I have one more question. What about

Re: [time-nuts] monitoring NTP servers?

2015-08-26 Thread Tim Shoppa
Example monitoring graphs and criteria might be those done by pool.ntp.org: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/71.191.185.32 I believe they send out E-mails to server owners based on criteria. I don't personally agree with all of the details of their criteria, it seems to be oriented more towards

[time-nuts] Chinese GPSDO 10 MHz error

2015-08-26 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Hi,   On the EEVBLOG  (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php)   They mention that the 2014-11-06version GPSDO that was “most extensively tested, so far (by ke5x and others).   (Has a) known bug, outputfrequency is not exactly 10mhz (9,999,999.999,800 Hz). This translates to ~2hzerror at

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello, Jim, I suppose that one of the alternatives that you've explored are the ABLNO from Abracon http://www.abracon.com/Precisiontiming/ABLNO.pdf They say that they are 3rd overtone, but it seems more an AT-cut than a SC, and anyway is around 10dB poorer than your requirements. An I

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread steve heidmann via time-nuts
Rakon has always impressed me . From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:23 AM Subject: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven For a project at work, I'm

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/26/15 2:38 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 26.08.2015 um 22:04 schrieb Javier Herrero: I suppose that one of the alternatives that you've explored are the ABLNO from Abracon http://www.abracon.com/Precisiontiming/ABLNO.pdf looks just like this one from Crystek:

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Alex Pummer
But if he needs 100dBc at 10Hz that is Wenzel's stronghold [https://twitter.com/ultralownoise] look that: http://www.wenzel.com/wp-content/parts/501-04517.pdf 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 8/26/2015 2:38 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 26.08.2015 um 22:04 schrieb Javier Herrero: I suppose that one of

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Hal Murray
dk...@arcor.de said: SC requires high temperature, that does not go together well with SMD and low power. Is there anything fundamental about SC that forces the turn over temperature to be high? Or is is something like SC is only used in ovens and they have to be higher than ambient so

Re: [time-nuts] looking for SMT oscillator SC cut, with no oven

2015-08-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/26/15 1:04 PM, Javier Herrero wrote: Hello, Jim, I suppose that one of the alternatives that you've explored are the ABLNO from Abracon http://www.abracon.com/Precisiontiming/ABLNO.pdf They say that they are 3rd overtone, but it seems more an AT-cut than a SC, and anyway is around 10dB