Re: [time-nuts] 4046 experiment for gpsdo

2015-09-25 Thread Will
Hi, I'm new and trying to get to grips with things. If I understand correctly, please forgive if I have it wrong, This locks a 10MHz signal to a 1Hz (1pps) signal. What makes it lock to 10 000 000Hz instead of 999 999Hz or 10 000 001Hz? Just the hope that the 10MHz is exactly that? Cheers, W

Re: [time-nuts] more teensies

2015-09-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/25/15 11:40 AM, Jim Lux wrote: I ran 5 teensys in parallel, driven from the same Rb source for an hour.. They track reasonably well. and AVAR from the same run ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.feb

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680B Rubidium and DDS

2015-09-25 Thread Bryan _
There is information on this thread on how you can tap into the unit at various points to get 20 and 60Mhz. Other owners have used a divider to bring it to the 10Mhz frequency desired. I have one of these units and haven't gone around to dividing it down. I purchased mine from Ebay and the selle

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 experiment for gpsdo

2015-09-25 Thread Jim Harman
To further demonstrate the Diode - R- C- approach, here (hopefully) is a screenshot of the raw DAC output vs time on my Arduino Micro (32u4) based system. For this test the oscillator is free running with an error of about 1 usec per 460 sec or 2.17x10^-9. The horizontal scale is 125 sec/div (1000

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680B Rubidium and DDS

2015-09-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There is no dump of the firmware. The problem you are most likely having is not firmware related. If the VCXO i the unit drifts to far it needs to be re-tuned. Until this is done the device simply sits in a “search for lock” loop forever and ever. Simple way to do it: Monitor the VCXO and b

Re: [time-nuts] more teensies

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Dailey
It would be neat to drive one off a disciplined 16MHz synthesizer and compare. Bill Dailey > On Sep 25, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > > I ran 5 teensys in parallel, driven from the same Rb source for an hour.. > They track reasonably well. > The differences are probably due to where they

Re: [time-nuts] 4046 experiment for gpsdo

2015-09-25 Thread Jim Harman
Hi Can, I suppose your circuit will work as you describe, but the diode-R-C network at the output of the HC4046 followed by an A/D converter works fine if your application is to lock an oscillator to a reference and you don't care if there is a constant time (phase) difference between the two when

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Once it’s sync’d with GPS, a normal MCU clock should be able to drive it for a few days if you had some sort of initial calibration process. Bob > On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:15 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > > I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought that you only need the GPS > for

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread paul swed
This absolutely requires GPS all of the time. In recalculates the entire 1 minute sentence every minute at 00 in the first 200ms. But that was a choice. The actual clock could run till you pull the plug. I choice the get it done approach. What is key is an accurate stable 1 PPS. All of that said i

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A expert?

2015-09-25 Thread Ben Hall
Hi Hal and list, On 9/24/2015 2:29 AM, Hal Murray wrote: It runs all the tests again and didn't find any errors, but it remembers that it has seen an error sometime recently that hasn't been cleared. That makes sense - I was able to find a log entry in the diagnostic log saying "self-test fai

[time-nuts] FE-5680B Rubidium and DDS

2015-09-25 Thread Clint Jay
I've recently purchased one of the PPS Only FE Rubidium standards from eBay and, like many others I suspect, haven't been able to get a stable output frequency that lasts longer than a few seconds from the module. It appears that the 10MHz source vanishes after a few seconds but this is controlled

Re: [time-nuts] Z380XA The saga of the aging 10811

2015-09-25 Thread James Flynn
Bob Benward writes: > > Continuing this discussion, I have included a PDF showing the past 30days of > EFC. Amazingly, the drift has reversed direction! Anyone have any insights > into this behavior? Each data point represents 10 seconds. > I have found that three things can cause this be

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread paul swed
Charles like you I have quite a few gpsdo's that are far superior to wwvb at least on the east coast in reality. But all of that said I actually used wwvb more for propagation studies to watch the ionosphere. Its always been interesting. Not that any of it matters if all of GPS is gone my real inte

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought that you only need the GPS for initial sync; after that shouldn't the processor be able to maintain the sequence without new GPS input, so long as the timer clock doesn't drift too badly? From a known starting point, the modulation pattern should

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Given the (relative) low precision required of the “dummy” timing data, other sources than GPS can be used. NTP level precision may be adequate if you have a good NTP source. Of course if GPS catastrophes are the concern, accurate NTP probably isn’t going to be a viable thing. The more in

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb gps d-psk-r details

2015-09-25 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Paul wrote: Here is the detailed document on the wwvb d-psk-r. Interesting solution, and a good study in persistence. Congratulations! But I thought the main point of having a working WWVB receiver was as a backup if GPS fails (or for use in circumstances where WWVB reception is possible

[time-nuts] 4046 experiment for gpsdo

2015-09-25 Thread Can Altineller
Hello All, I got a CD74HC4046 and started to experiment. It seems that this is a newer version, which has another phase comparator instead of the zener diode. There has been some changes in the chip basically. PC1out is a xor gate, and PC3out is an RS flip flop. It will give pulses if one source i

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
The role of the diode is to break the current path to the cap when S1 shorts the current to ground when PPS 2 occurs. With the diode, S1 does not short the cap to ground. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Alex Pummer Sent: Th

Re: [time-nuts] algorithms and hardware for comparing clock pulses

2015-09-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
Don't know why I was referenced on this. The simple approach is what I was trying to improve. But I was only looking at a way to covert pulse width time to voltage for further processing. Perhaps linearity is not required in this application. It's been my experience that controllers with proportio

Re: [time-nuts] teensy as time capture device

2015-09-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 9/24/15 11:02 AM, Hal Murray wrote: xne...@luna.dyndns.dk said: External Oscillator (the system clock clock) , or External Timer clock (limited to system clock/4) That sounds like they are running the external signal through a synchronizer and then doing all the logic on the system clock.