Re: [time-nuts] Moving GPSDO

2016-10-16 Thread Joseph Gray
Bill,

My question was more generally about any GPSDO, but it's good to know
about the Motorola/Lucent.

What about this scenario - the GPSDO has a fixed position on initial
powerup, but then it is moved periodically or even continuously,
without updating the GPS coordinates. The distance from the original
coordinates could be anywhere from close by, to across the state.
Periodically, a new survey could be run to keep things from getting
too far out in left field.

At some point, I'll have to do some field testing, but I wanted to get
the list wisdom first.

Joe Gray
W5JG


On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Bill Hawkins  wrote:
> The Motorola receivers in Lucent gear won't output a time signal if they
> don't have an initial survey.
>
> I make this assertion because the RFTG I had would not lock. The
> Motorola bag of bits decodes to say there's no position fix because
> enough satellites have not been acquired. Too bad I lived in a valley.
>
> Let us know how this turns out, starting from an initial survey.
>
> Bill Hawkins
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Gray
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:20 PM
>
> I'm curious to know how accurately a GPSDO will keep its 10 MHz output
> while moving. No initial survey to set a position would be done. I don't
> care about the UTC time.
>
> Joe Gray
> W5JG
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Moving GPSDO

2016-10-16 Thread Bill Hawkins
The Motorola receivers in Lucent gear won't output a time signal if they
don't have an initial survey.

I make this assertion because the RFTG I had would not lock. The
Motorola bag of bits decodes to say there's no position fix because
enough satellites have not been acquired. Too bad I lived in a valley.

Let us know how this turns out, starting from an initial survey. 

Bill Hawkins 

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Gray
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:20 PM

I'm curious to know how accurately a GPSDO will keep its 10 MHz output
while moving. No initial survey to set a position would be done. I don't
care about the UTC time.

Joe Gray
W5JG

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[time-nuts] Moving GPSDO

2016-10-16 Thread Joseph Gray
I'm curious to know how accurately a GPSDO will keep its 10 MHz output
while moving. No initial survey to set a position would be done. I
don't care about the UTC time.

Joe Gray
W5JG
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[time-nuts] Improved Symmetricom ET-6000

2016-10-16 Thread Erik Thomassen via time-nuts
Good evening/morning -depending, group :-)
 For the perfectionists of you, pass this post ;-)  For the rest, here are my 
results in improving an Symmetricom Exacttime ET-6000.  My problem was that the 
supposedly stable 10MHz, off the programmable outputs just wandered "all over 
the place" with the supplied TCXO. Refered to any free running OCXO or rubidium 
the output was useless even in the locked state.

There was an upgrade-set avaliable that also involved a software change but 
that was not an option for me. 

The original TCXO is relatively easy to remove. The solder holes are left 
alone, better connection points for experiments exists on the PCB. Check for 
connectivity the 10MHz output, and Vcorr.  The 5V connection i left 
alone.Before this project arose i had a 5V/10MHz Bliley OCXO unit previously 
bought off Ebay from China for some USD20.-  I did not think about the output 
being square wave The main thing however is that this OCXO matches the Vref 
range of the TCXO.

Yesterday was the day:  Took out the original TCXO.  The new Bliley unit, for 
the sake of the experiment, was set outside the main PCB with long wires 
soldered between the units.  Due to the higher current drain on the OCXO i 
decided to supply it via an external simple 7805 regulator. This was mounted 
directly to the bottom of the chassis for good heat dispersal during warmup. 
12V was taken from the main PCB.

After power-up things looked usable - but did not work  No lock, the system 
searching up to+/- 200Hz trying to find a lock point. Setting the DAC-value to 
"zero beat" with a similar standard did not help.The combination of quite 
higher output voltage from the OCXO combined with a very distorted waveform 
(due to the square-wave output) made the 6000-unit to discard the OCXO.  

To improve the waveform I used an old trick: A 10MHz crystal in series with the 
signal.  This improved things a bit, I now can see a distorted sinus wave on 
the output  A 50k 10-turn potmeter in series with the crystal solved the 
level problem -.

A new connector mounted on the rear for 24VDC supply and an surplus Rifa 24V to 
5/12/-12V converter module from a Instrument Landing System transmitter solved 
the mains problem No more power surges :-)

Inserting a jumper (J27) told at least the display that there is an OCXO in 
place.
After some 6 hours of use now, the internal monitoring system claims that 
output accuracy for the time beeing is +/- 40 e-12, almost two decades better 
than the original TCXO, for all what that statement is worth
The next question coming up: Why not use a simple 12V supply, sinus output 
OCXO? Yes, why not try that?  With the level problems sorted out - a simple 
potentiometer, the only problem withstanding is the Vcorr/ref voltage. It may 
have altered with the setting og J27 - I did not measure that, there, the 
software change probably kics in - or not :-)
Erik/

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