Re: [time-nuts] PN on internal/external references and Cross correlation

2017-09-28 Thread John Miles
> Thanks for clarifying this issue! I may use references with close-in PN > (1Hz-1kHz) 10 dB noisier than the DUT, however as you said it may > require an overnight run for 1 Hz offset, which isn't the nice part... I > assume then that speeding up the measurement process can only be > obtained usin

Re: [time-nuts] PN on internal/external references and Cross correlation

2017-09-28 Thread Vasco Soares
Thanks for clarifying this issue! I may use references with close-in PN (1Hz-1kHz) 10 dB noisier than the DUT, however as you said it may require an overnight run for 1 Hz offset, which isn't the nice part... I assume then that speeding up the measurement process can only be obtained using refe

Re: [time-nuts] PN on internal/external references and Cross correlation

2017-09-28 Thread John Miles
> In a PN measurement system with a dual channel cross correlation is there a > simple rule of thumb for how low should be the PN of the (external) > references compared to the DUT? (even with a 20 dB noise floor > improvement with 1 cross correlations) If you have two references, then it's OK

[time-nuts] PN on internal/external references and Cross correlation

2017-09-28 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi All, In a PN measurement system with a dual channel cross correlation is there a simple rule of thumb for how low should be the PN of the (external) references compared to the DUT? (even with a 20 dB noise floor improvement with 1 cross correlations). In the case of the references hav

[time-nuts] Weird GPSDO behavior

2017-09-28 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello Time-Nuts, I have a NTGS50AA GPSDO (close cousin to the NTBW50AA and Thunderbolt) with the OCXO removed and a SRS PRS-10 rubidium oscillator in its place. I have been running Lady Heather 5.0 and have changed the damping, gain, and time constant to give me a 20,000 second time constant with

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS coming to phones

2017-09-28 Thread Peter Monta
> > > Also the new iphones now support Galileo in addition to GPS and Glonass. > Any word on whether iOS will support raw observables, as Android has for a little while now? I gather the APIs need to support continuous tracking better so that phase observables are meaningful across epochs. Will

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS coming to phones

2017-09-28 Thread Chris Caudle
On Wed, September 27, 2017 9:38 pm, Bill Hawkins wrote: > Sadly, it is not the phone users who will benefit. It is the advertisers > who use your location to send targeted ads. I doubt that knowing which side of the parking lot you are in will be of much interest to advertisers. It will help navi

Re: [time-nuts] HP-103AR frequency beyond adjustment

2017-09-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Jeremy wrote: The only thing I've not adjusted is the oven temperature. I know there's been discussion of this subject here in the past but my searches come up empty—I must be using the wrong keywords. The 103AR is just a toy for me so no harm is done if the frequency can't be raised to 1 MHz bu

Re: [time-nuts] Better GPS coming to phones

2017-09-28 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 11:54:11 + Mark Sims wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/27/centimetre_accurate_gnss_chipset_tested/ Sadly, the IEEE Spectrum article, which they reference, is so full of mistakes. One would think that the largest electrical engineering association would have so