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can start with you application and work backwards to place a
requirement on time accuracy
On the other hand this is a "time nuts" list and some people here just
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There already exists an NTP for ESP8266. At least a simple one. Look
over on GitHub.
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For a buck each, these are not machined from brass, I think molded pot
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> very rapidly. The peak current might reach 10 A (depending on the
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it looks to me like Olgierdhas a working INTEL linux
os running on the Pi3. He installed Wine on the Intel Linux not on
the ARM Linux
It looks like maybe Michael has an ARM version of linux running native
on the Pi3 Wine will not run on that
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>> become a pretty major issue.
>>
>> Simple rule of thumb - add at least two bits past whatever the target is.
>> More or less, if you *are* after 0.1C and that comes out to 6 bits, you
>> need
>> eight solid bits to get things to wor
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>
Not glass walls. Stainless steel. The metal wall make it uniform.
I occurred to be that you could fill the container with a liquid.
Something that has good thermal conductivity and it would be very uniform
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> ..., you can save a lot of grief by using a slightly larger bit than the
> standard tap drill. You're not really too concerned with optimal fit and
> strength here - it's more about being able to make a whole lot of usable
> screw holes without losing too many bits and taps
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> with the mounting holes on of the lid.
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>>
>> You CAN collect all the data then parse it like you are doing if you
>> were to move to an interrupt
interrupted
while the display updates so th ring buffer might get filled up a
little. But the ISR terminals the parser clears the buffer.
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> not going to work well
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>> It would be easy to re-design the job for cheaper machining.. Do you
>> really need to tap the holes? You might use self taping screws. Id the
>> would work then
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>> Are you still going for Sidereal time? If so that is floating point
>>
>
> I'm not sure how Sidereal time came up...it wasn't
ith both Arduino and
mbed.
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>> Are you still going for Sidereal time? If so that is floating point
>>
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> I'm not sure how Sidereal tim
order one of those $10 Saleae
>> clones this evening. That Saleae clone analyzer would be just the ticket
>> to see if the time information is coming from the serial port before the
>> 1PPS tick. This is what is written in the little TruePosition information
>> we
NMEA...but output their own format of message. One
> message contains GPS time in seconds...plus the number of leap seconds that
> have elapsed, so my goal there was to convert the GPS time from the unit
> into normal UTC date and time.
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s. So depending on how accurate you need
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e Linux package. It’s a fairly obvious name. I’d
> bet it got
> re-used a couple of times. The docs on gpsd refer to it’s own tangled
> history in this
> regard. It’s certainly worth trying. I simply would not chuck the GPSDO
> in the trash
> if it does not work :)
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> scrap and then glue (using superglue) the stock down onto the scrap. I can
> then machine around the edges without worrying about clamping. With
> pockets though, the torque even when ramping down might break the part
> loose.
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> Some of the process below is “not trivial”. One example:
>
> You have a “gate” from the GPSDO and a “signal” from somewhere else. If you
> want the STM to do the whole thing, the “gate” pin needs to get the job
> done in
> X +/- 1 cycle
can serve a web page and then you see the frequency on
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> control
> > the user interface.
> >
> > The time stamping idea is not bad. But today you do NOT need to "post
> > process". Your little processor could do this in nearly real-time and
> > you'd have results on the screen i
-time and
you'd have results on the screen in seconds.
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What I live the clocks always gain time, a minute every could mounts.
It seems I always have to set the time back a minute or two. But then
it really never gets cold here, maybe a dip below 50F at night in the
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gt; >> [2] I presume at a minimum a counter running at a 5ns or less "tick" fed
> >> from a frequency source locked to the 10MHz of the Rb standard. This
> >> counter would need to be latched for reading from an external signal so
> &
> -
>
> > Did you use the Arduino's PWM output plus a LPF for the DAC, or a
> separate
> DAC? If PWM, did you have problems with noise or sensitivity to the
> USB-provided supply voltage?
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> > I've only hear of 1 uS being broken with hardware.
>
> A Raspberry Pi can get down to a Standard Deviation of about 350 nano
> seconds
> using NTPsec..
>
> https://blog.ntpsec
with hardware.You would actually
not ned to write much software to make this happen, just move the
counter outside the CPU to the FPGA and you about have it.
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> AndroiTS GPS Test (V 1.48 Free) is good, but a battery hog I find. On
> my Moto G, I find that it can handle not only the US GPS system, but
> three other systems too, including Glonass, and I think the new Chinese
> system. I don't recognise the last symbol, maybe Galileo. Not bad for
> a co
> Not to gloat, but my Android phone is always spot on. I have a GPS time
> app that shows the difference between GPS and phone time and it's always in
> the tenths of a second area.
"tenths of a second" is "spot on"? No way. That is a difference
that is perceivable to humans.
Apple claims i
ctions there.
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say $50 for everything from antenna to power cord. I think
it can be done but one can only verify longer term stability.
(Yes you were correct a GOOD oversized XO is not sensitive to the
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oscillators and you can measure beat frequencies between them.
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>> phase of two sig
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ink my main point is correct: what you care about in
the uncertainty in the process, not the numbers like delay and offset,
it's the error bars in those numbers
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unted as high, still 10' or so is common without guy wires.
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this special case it makes sense to connect GPS PPS to the computer
and use no other source of time.
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> Yo Chris!
>
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:48:39 -0800
> Chris Albertso
barrier is not easy
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:59 AM, shouldbe q931 wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 7:55 AM, Chris Albertson
> wrote:
>>
>> But PTP requires special hardware. You may not have this.
>>
>
> I have to disagree.
>
> I run PTP on a Raspberry Pi
to do
BTW I first learned about NTP formerly this same reason. I was
writing firmware for an astronomical CCD camera and we wanted to know
EXACTLY when exposures started and stopped.
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> On 15/02/2017 1:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
>>
&
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> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Ruslan Nabioullin
> wrote:
>> On 02/15/2017 01:17 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
>>>
>>> Why set up a dedicated NTP server if you only have two computers
>>> that will
at least three servers (and more like five). When
> given only two
> servers NTP simply dithers back and forth between them. It does not have
> a way to figure out which of two clocks is wrong. It will detect a missing
> clock, but
> not one that is simply off time by a bit.
>
an keep backups or store media files (videos) or
host a small web site NTP is almost zero load on the CPU and the
best thing is the NTP accuracy is not effected by CPU load SO you can
run other service without degrading the NTP server. (All the time
critical stuff happens inside a tiny interrup
PCs that all agree on what the time is. The
outliers tent to get ignored. When GPS comes back up the system makes a
gradual and graceful recovery.
Chris Albertson
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how those worked. I just wish
> I could find the one hidden in my garage :^)
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; but a really low-end
computer like a Rasperry Pi would be perfect for this, maybe over kill but
you'd want the features of the OS to send the time some place
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