Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if a Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-10 Thread J. Forster
The watch workers were a tragedy, based on ignorance of the risks. At the time, there were probably only a handful of people who'd ever sustained injury from radioactive materials. It's not clear that the bosses even knew the women were putting the brushes in their mouths or that they knew the

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of Costas loops (WAAS)

2013-07-10 Thread J. Forster
David, While I can easily see how you can do closed loop correctioin for Dopplar from the transmission point for a 'bent pipe' repeater, at any other location that correction would not be valid, because the paths are not parallel. -John = On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 08:10:45PM +0200,

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if a Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-10 Thread J. Forster
The stuff that turns color is the dial paint. The numbers are painted on top. When the hands move, they expose the underlying paint to view. -John = I wonder what that is? How come the digits don't show the same burn that the hands do? They certainly remained in the same position

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-09 Thread J. Forster
Many people are just phobic about radiation, partially becayse tgey don't understand it. Some years ago, the DoD was trying to get approval for a Phased Array early warning RADAR on Cape Cod, MA, called Pave Paws. Public hearings were held and the public kept asking 'Will the radiation

Re: [time-nuts] Lead acid battery noise levels

2013-07-09 Thread J. Forster
EGG Princeton Applied Research made a very low noise preamp unit, the 113, which was pretty much the industry leader for years. It was often used with Lock-In amplifiers. The unit used NiCds, I believe for that, among other, reasons. I'd expect Ithaco and SAE have similar products. -John

Re: [time-nuts] The word, Radiation as a boogieman...

2013-07-09 Thread J. Forster
Burt, I agree there is money, but, far more importantly IMO, there is lots of political power. IMO, if one assessed risks objectively, biological pathogens are far, far more dangerous. In fact, I think it's the height of hypocracy when biologists protest nuclear technology. Consider which has

[time-nuts] FTGH: 3x 52 MHz Oscillators

2013-07-06 Thread J. Forster
Hi, I have three NKG3141A mini oscillators or crystals. One is marked 52.000 I think they are all the same, but am not positive. They are of no particular use to me. If you want them, drop me an email off-list. First come, first served. Best, -John =

[time-nuts] LORAN

2013-07-04 Thread J. Forster
Has anybody listened for LORAN in the US lately? -John = ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of Costas loops

2013-07-03 Thread J. Forster
A 'bent pipe' or retroreflector doubles any Dopplar from range rate. -John On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:29:02 -0400 Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: There are two batches of GPS / WAAS sats up there: 1) The ones with numbers above 100 that are geosync and that only do WAAS 2)

Re: [time-nuts] The auction site?

2013-07-02 Thread J. Forster
A few years back, some Group Owners, especially of ham lists, outlawed the mention of eBay, because the concept of selling something to the highest bidder somehow offended 'the ham ethic' that stuff should go to the 'most needy or deserving' as measured by some underermined scale. Pseudonames

Re: [time-nuts] HP-117A

2013-07-02 Thread J. Forster
When WWVB changed to BPSK, the phase-tracking receivers were rendered inoperative. Paul Swed has a tested design for a Costas Loop receiver front end and demod that properly tracks the BPSK carrier phase and routes it to a 117A or similar receiver. There are also some hacks that, knowing the

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of Costas loops

2013-07-02 Thread J. Forster
There is a Wiki article on Costas Loops that includes block diagrams. There are books about the loop filter design. Signal squaring is simply the Trig identity: Sin(A)**2 = 1/2*[1 - cos(2*A)] which has a DC term and a double frequency term. Sine is symmetriv about the 0 axis. In practice, with

Re: [time-nuts] Speaking of Costas loops

2013-07-02 Thread J. Forster
More on your question: I'm prettyt sure that just sticking up an antenna and hooking up a simple, phase tracking receiver for GPS will yeild nothing useful, because there are always several birds in view, so you will get a superposition of their signals in the bandpass and each signal will be

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz receivers

2013-06-26 Thread J. Forster
Do the stations they are designed to receive transmit BPSK? -John == went to pv electronics direct. They are reasonably priced. But they don't give the detail needed. I am pretty sure these are the old cmax or temic chips. Since I don't have one can't really tell you.

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-26 Thread J. Forster
Magnus, There WERE (past tense) a number of definitions of the inch, ranging from lines on bars of PtIr to a string of grain kernels. Now there IS (present tense) one, defined as 2.54 cm. -John John, On 06/25/2013 07:52 PM, J. Forster wrote: No. It's THE definition

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-26 Thread J. Forster
The same issue arises with old callendars. What always happens is the old units are converted to the current standard. You never see a LASER wavelength in barlycorns. The current definitions are used and backward corrected. -John == j...@quikus.com said: There WERE (past tense)

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread J. Forster
2.54 mm is DEFINED as 0.1 inch. The conversion is EXACT. -John 2.54 mm pitch is close enough to the .1 in standard. The through-hole DIP chips will fit fine. I used to build stuff with .1 in perfboard, sockets, and wire-wrap but only use a very few glue chips now and

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread J. Forster
It's not 'industry'. It's the international standards agency, whatever it's called. The folks that define a meter as some number of wavelengths of light in vacuo and so on. There are some early perf boards that have holes on 1/16 centers, for use w/flea clips'. -John === OK, I

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread J. Forster
No. It's THE definition... there is only one. It's not like Pi, which equals 3 for small circles. -John === In message caf_se-av85uzwvkp2zeil10dcdeohroj0wne1d-13vawcwt...@mail.gmail.com , Robert Darlington writes: Machinists know that 1 inch is exactly 2.54cm or 25.4mm.

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread J. Forster
to and from the rest of the world's units. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:52 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: No. It's THE definition... there is only one. It's not like Pi, which equals 3 for small circles. -John === In message caf_se-av85uzwvkp2zeil10dcdeohroj0wne1d

Re: [time-nuts] [OT} audiophile outlets.....

2013-06-19 Thread J. Forster
How about a Rb or Cs standard to control the sampling rate of the DACs in your CD player so you always have perfect pitch and no wow or flutter? Oh, it's already being done and sold to Audiophools never mind! -John Simple, just think of the next snake oil. There's

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread J. Forster
An Audiophool and his money are soon parted. -John === The current distortion from simple transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supplies contains a lot of third harmonic content. In a 3 phase system (as are all distribution systems for commercial and industrial) the third

[time-nuts] OT: Re: HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-17 Thread J. Forster
I assume you mean the markup. If you think that's high, just look at what a hospital charges for an Aspirin or a Band-Aid. YMMV, -John That's criminal! Tom - Original Message - From: J. Forster j...@quikus.com To: n...@verizon.net; Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-15 Thread J. Forster
Joe, With the tradition rectifier/filter power is only drawn on both side of the peak of the sine of line voltage, sort of like this: --- --- -| |--| | because the rectifier diodes only conduct when Vsupply Vcapacitor With a switching converter, using an

Re: [time-nuts] 59503A GPIB clock windows/linux software.

2013-06-01 Thread J. Forster
In the 5950x line there is a display unit. IMO, that would be a lot easier. YMMV. -John == A Man has got to have his toys and I have a HP 59503A GPIB clock... Has anyone seen software to maybe sync the clock with an NTP server or something :) Windows, Linux, it's all good!

Re: [time-nuts] Traceability after loss of LORAN and WWVB

2013-06-01 Thread J. Forster
Yes, but the new BPSK modulation defeats the ability of most carrier tracking receivers to lock up on the carrier. It requires something like a Costas Loop receiver, designed to handle BPSK, to extract the unmodulate carrier. -John == So, legal traceability requires many steps

Re: [time-nuts] Server Issues?

2013-05-21 Thread J. Forster
horsepower, so hopefully tweaking is all it will take. John On 5/20/2013 9:50 PM, J. Forster wrote: A couple of messages posted Friday, 5/17, showed up today 5/20, just before I posted the query. The issue is relatively recent... since late last week. -John I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nut Pickens at the MIT Flea ?

2013-05-20 Thread J. Forster
There are cafe/pizza options in the Strattion Student Center, although seating is somewhat limited. But there are other places in the same building. It's a short walk from the flea site (Mass Ave at Vasser Street) Bldg W-20 -John I was there as well, but did not see much of

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nut Pickens at the MIT Flea ?

2013-05-20 Thread J. Forster
It is surprizingly difficult to find other shoppers at the Flea. I suspoect it's because people sort of 'shop with the flow'- all moving in the same direction. -John = Paul, So you were there and I missed you then. It was hard to find anything. Looking in all the corners.

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nut Pickens at the MIT Flea ?

2013-05-20 Thread J. Forster
in the area - recent MIT graduate - and would be happy to set something up (though I think my gf's birthday is that day, so maybe not) Andy Bardagjy bardagjy.com On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:34 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: There are cafe/pizza options in the Strattion Student Center

[time-nuts] Server Issues?

2013-05-20 Thread J. Forster
Is anyone else seeing posts to this list showing up many hours to days late? -John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Server Issues?

2013-05-20 Thread J. Forster
. My most recent post showed up many hours (maybe six or eight) after I sent it. That was perhaps two or three weeks ago. 73, Brent, KD0GLS, Minneapolis On 20 May 2013, at 18:18, J. Forster wrote: Is anyone else seeing posts to this list showing up many hours to days late? -John

Re: [time-nuts] Time Nut Pickens at the MIT Flea ?

2013-05-19 Thread J. Forster
Not me. IMO, the pickings were pretty slim. I think a number of ventors opted for Dayton. -John == Anyone got any Time Nut quality items at the MIT fleamarket today ? Stan, W1LE Cape Cod ___ time-nuts mailing list --

[time-nuts] laser locking

2013-05-01 Thread J. Forster
I got this reply from a researcher friend: A better link might be http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technology/time-frequency/optical-frequency-standards-and-metrology/ --- Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:11:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] laser locking From: j...@quikus.com To:

Re: [time-nuts] laser locking

2013-04-29 Thread J. Forster
Here is a start: http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/9608%20-%20A0%20Poster2%20v4%20Final%20lr.pdf -John I'm asking mostly out of interest, because i have no clue how this is done. Although i've read many papers on laser spectroscopy and how to acheive even better atomic

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
When I was building space payloads, every component had to meet or exceed a VCM (Volitile Condensible Material) spec. This was mainly of concern with plastics, like wire insulation (we used Teflon and Kapton) but especially potting compounds. And, don't even think about ball bearings near optics

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
Putting 100,000 items in space is a non-starter. The existing space trash is already a big concern, and there have been seriuous proposals for missions to clean it up. An iPhone, travelling at orbital velocity, has a lot of kinetic energy! There was an uproar years ago when the Westford Needles

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
Sometimes imaging sensors are just not available at wavelengths of interest. There is no choice but mechanical scanners. Bearings are also needed to de-spin antennas, etc. -John = On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT), L. Forster wrote: When I was building space payloads, every

Re: [time-nuts] HP-8640B

2013-04-25 Thread J. Forster
Try www.ArtekMedia.com Dave has IMO the best info on HP (and other) stuff available. Best, -John == Hello Folks! I turn to you in hope someone can help me. The old but good signal generator 8640B is by Agilent declared obsolete and no support available. The frequency

Re: [time-nuts] S743 Marketplace Fariness Act... and freq standard box

2013-04-24 Thread J. Forster
Peter, I believe you are correct about the $1M per year trip point, but would remind you that this is a very slippery slope. When the Income Tax was originally enacted, very, very few were impacted. That is no longer so. The Alternative Minimum Tax was enacted to hit those who have saved and

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-23 Thread J. Forster
. Particularly, as it is being handled to push it through so fast without the proper vetting. BillWB6BNQ J. Forster wrote: Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-23 Thread J. Forster
In message 54941.12.226.214.5.1366726922.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. Fo rster writes: It concerns me that eBays message FAILS the authentication test they themselves advocate. I think that is because this message does not come out of their backoffice systems, but rather out of their

[time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread J. Forster
Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS to be genuine, but I'm unconvinced. Has anybody else received this email, and is it for real? Puzzled, -John

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread J. Forster
tell you in a heartbeat if the thing is genuine or a malware attempt. Keep the peace(es). *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 22-Apr-13 at 06:13 J. Forster wrote: Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress

[time-nuts] APN-9A Very Rare LORAN-A Manual Copies Available

2013-04-21 Thread J. Forster
As you may know, some time ago, I acquired an all-but-mythical APN-9A LORAN-A receiver/Indicator. This is not the common APN-9 LORAN-A, but is a hybrid (analog/digital) version built for the B-36 bomber. Very few were built and documentation is just about non-existant. I have been very

Re: [time-nuts] APN-9A Very Rare LORAN-A Manual Copies Available

2013-04-21 Thread J. Forster
will be scanning it eventually. Best, -John === On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:21:33AM -0700, J. Forster wrote: As you may know, some time ago, I acquired an all-but-mythical APN-9A LORAN-A receiver/Indicator. This is not the common APN-9 LORAN-A, but is a hybrid (analog/digital) version

[time-nuts] NO MIT Flea Tomorrow

2013-04-20 Thread J. Forster
http://w1mx.mit.edu/flea-at-mit -John == ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Flea at MIT on Sunday- STATUS

2013-04-19 Thread J. Forster
Hi, As some of you may know, the Boston Marathon bombers killed an MIT Police Officer about 100 yards from the site of the Sunday MIT Flea Market. MIT is now shut down, for today at least. One of the suspects is dead. Another is at large in Watertown close by. The whole area is on 'lock-down'

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-04-01 Thread J. Forster
I think that you should be able to take the signal right out of the backbiased diode and run it straight into a microwave mixer w/ a fixed 7 GHz LO and frequency discrimitate the IF output from the mixer to generate a control signal for your LASER. In theory, if your LASERS were very, very, very

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-30 Thread J. Forster
My understanding is that you want to operate photodiodes with high reverse bias for the best frequency response. The bias widens the space charge layer, thereby reducing the capacitance of the device. The high electric fields in the SCL region also sweeps the hole-electron pairs, produced by

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-30 Thread J. Forster
is a 50 Ohm coax to a broadband amp w/ 50 Ohm input. In the limit, the amp is put right at the detector and has near-zero input Z. Best, -John = On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: My understanding is that you want to operate photodiodes

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread J. Forster
Watch eBay for a small static inverter. I got an Abbott one for under $50. It takes 28 VDC and puts out 115VAC 400 Hz. -John === How about one of those 2kw car stereo amps with a 555 input tone ? --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Ezell w...@quackers.net wrote: From: Bill Ezell

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread J. Forster
An appropriate (but small) Group already exists: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Aerospace_Hardware_Collectors_Group/ -John === Yeah I'd join a gyro-nuts group. I have a shelf full of weird gyros, a stable platform, other gyro stuff. I made a little power supply to

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread J. Forster
It was almost certainly for powering a WWII vintage fluxgate compass system. -John == I have a little dynamotor somewhere which makes 3 phase 400 Hz. Tiny little thing! Only puts out like 15 VA, and not very noisy either. IIRC is was called an Instrument inverter On

[time-nuts] Win XP and NIST Time

2013-03-23 Thread J. Forster
Recently, my 'puter clock has been resetting back an hour every so often. The auto-sync to time.NIST.gov is the timeserver it uses. Does that site change to Daylight time? Does the Windows time site change to aylight time? Tjanks, -John ==

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST Time

2013-03-23 Thread J. Forster
I think the date for the DST time change were altered some years ago, hence the Win SW messes up. I keep the 'puter clock on local time for convenience, and switch because eBay does. I am only concerned with roughly accurate local time. Best, -John === Recently, my 'puter clock

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST Time

2013-03-23 Thread J. Forster
Thank you. My question is really does NIST time change to DST. I'm completely happy with manually changing the time twice a year by hand. I'm trying to see if disabling the auto-update fixes the problem. Resetting a clock is not exactly a major task. I have no interest in going to Vista or

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST Time

2013-03-23 Thread J. Forster
do DST changes so I've never had to deal with it - other than dealing with some WWVB clocks that don't let you disable DST! Ed On 3/23/2013 11:02 AM, J. Forster wrote: Thank you. My question is really does NIST time change to DST. I'm completely happy with manually changing the time twice

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST time

2013-03-23 Thread J. Forster
If you double left click on the clock; click on the Time Zone tab, there is a check box for DST update on/off. Since the dates of DST have changed, it does not work right. Best, -John = Hi all, I am a new member, in St Pete, Florida. I noticed that last week, my XP laptop had

Re: [time-nuts] Linked-in Emails

2013-03-21 Thread J. Forster
Unless you are very careful, LinkedIn harvests your address book and spams everybody in it to join. IMO, it's malware. YMMV, -John Hello, I am sorry for the email traffic that Linked-in has generated. Somehow it picked up every email address in my email list. My

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Clocks don't sync anymore (revisited)

2013-03-20 Thread J. Forster
Have you tried to put BPSK through a narrow band filter and looked at the envelope at the output? -John == Hi Also consider that some of these receivers use a narrowband crystal filter in front of the IC. I doubt they spend a ton of money on the components, so that may not be

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Clocks don't sync anymore (revisited)

2013-03-20 Thread J. Forster
If a clock uses a narrow (high Q)filter, the BPSK may mess up the amplitude response. The Time Code is modulated AM on the carrier. If this is the case, broadening the filter, possibly by adding shunt resistance, might fix the issue. FWIW, -John On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at

Re: [time-nuts] Loran again

2013-03-10 Thread J. Forster
Where are you? -John === Hi All; I hear Loran C signals back on again, I'll fire up the SRS FS-700 and check. RP ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] OT: Robot Watch

2013-02-24 Thread J. Forster
Hi, I was just given an Anarobo Quartz writwatch, like this: http://www.listia.com/auction/1183485-robot-watch-with-turquoise-blue-clock Honestly, it is THE cutest trhing I've see in ages, and made of solid stainless steel. Does anybody know anything more about it? Was it a promo of some kind?

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB

2013-02-23 Thread J. Forster
So, if you use phase-tracking hardware, it's good for three more weeks. Wonderful... not. :(( LORAN-C all over again! -John = On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 06:01:46PM -0500, paul swed wrote: Donald from what I have been seeing they are consistent. But there is a 1 hour period

[time-nuts] [Fwd: [TestEquipTrader] FTS-4060 Cesium Time and Frequency Standard]

2013-02-19 Thread J. Forster
FYI, from another list. Contact OP directly, not me. -John === Original Message Subject: [TestEquipTrader] FTS-4060 Cesium Time and Frequency Standard From:Chris Howard w0ep w...@w0ep.us Date:Tue, February 19, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] BBC Bush House Patek Phillipe clock system on ebay

2013-02-19 Thread J. Forster
Paul, I doubt Patek makes ANYTHING a mere mortal would call 'cheap'. YMMV, -John = Actually I guess I do have a further comment. These Pateks look cheap compared to the old hp5060 24 hour clock versions. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] BBC Bush House Patek Phillipe clock system on ebay

2013-02-19 Thread J. Forster
A desk clock is more like it. -John Totally agree. But the old HPs were a lot nicer looking for the $$ Still have not figured out how you would use one of those as a wrist watch. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Paul, I doubt Patek makes

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-05 Thread J. Forster
compared to my T'Bolt GPS/DO is -2.5E12. Stan W1LE Cape Cod On 2/4/2013 8:56 PM, paul swed wrote: We can only dream. But will take what I can get for as long as I can get it. It sure in the heck kicks wwvb's capabilities. Regards Paul On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, J. Forster j

Re: [time-nuts] Locked onto LORAN 8970 GRI Monday AM

2013-02-04 Thread J. Forster
Great. Now if the transmissions continue and the format doesn't change! -John == Boy LORAN austron2100 and 2100f and GPS HP3801are tracking really well. The Austrons are 1.5-2.0 E-12. Pretty much getting at there limits after 5 hours. Regards Paul. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] Loran again

2013-02-02 Thread J. Forster
Hmmm... . That puts a different face on it. If it a LORAN-like signal, but with an eventual format, incompatible with existing hardware, like the Austron 2100F, any cheering will have been in vain. YMMV, -John == I understand its no eLORAN, but I keep calling it LORAN and

[time-nuts] Anyone Using a Yahoo Email Account - PLEASE READ !!

2013-01-30 Thread J. Forster
Folks, As you have seen, the Group has been getting sammed lately. Most soams never get posted to the Group, but some do. These apparently come from hacked Yahoo email accounts. Yahoo itself was hacked, and the passwords to about half a million Yahoo email addresses were obtained.There are

Re: [time-nuts] General Radio

2013-01-28 Thread J. Forster
You might want to ask on the GenRad Yahoo Group. There is nothing in the GR Historical Society CDs, as of te last version I have. -John === Any schematics for the following general radio Primary standard syncrometer clock Girard 617 417 1766 jsimon1026 @aol.com 691c 690d

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-27 Thread J. Forster
. Ammonia also requires pressure vessels and in pure form is incredibly corrosive So unless you are trained in these techniques just don't even think about doing this Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:57 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: You can't be serious. Ammonia gas or liquid

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
For microscopes and all related topics, the Yahoo Microscope Group is very knowledgeable. It has over 3500 members now. -John = This is by definition Off Topic I'm looking for a forum where people are about as technically competent as here but where an amateur scientist

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
Trying to play with liquid acetylene is like juggling operating chainsaws. -John Il 2013-01-26 14:58 Bob Camp ha scritto: Hi Platinum RTD's are a pretty good bet for -80C, they hold up well down there. For calibration, ammonia and acetylene both have triple points in the

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
You can't be serious. Ammonia gas or liquid is dangerous. You can buy calibrated RTDs or rent a quartz thermometer and stay alive. YMMV, -John === Hi If the intent is to come up with a triple point cell to calibrate your thermometer, acetone's triple point (at 178.5K) is a

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
The microscope group can help with reccomendations. 1000x is really pushing it, because of 'empty magnification'. Best, -John == On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: If the intent is surface mount work, get an old BL Stereozoom 3. I'd suggest

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
at 190K is going to have something nasty about it. Bob On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:57 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: You can't be serious. Ammonia gas or liquid is dangerous. You can buy calibrated RTDs or rent a quartz thermometer and stay alive. YMMV, -John === Hi

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
The Yahoo Microscope Group already exists with over 3700 members world wide, which forms a huge knowlege base, from biology to microelectronics. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/ Why re-invent the wheel? -John == I like the idea of a amateur microscopy nuts reflector.

Re: [time-nuts] 1970's flashback

2013-01-13 Thread J. Forster
It's an unfortunate fact of life. When a technology company grows, sooner or later the MBAs, lawyers, and vulture capitalists take over and the priorities get set by them and the quarter-over-quarter performance, rather that the science or engineering. I detest managers who believe that a person

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread J. Forster
Most modern books on micriowave design (and probably Wiki) have the basics. They are based on the NMR principle (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance). This is the same physics used in MRI. You might also look at old issues of the HP Journal or the Watkins-Johnson house journal. The former is easily

[time-nuts] OT: The End of Time

2012-12-26 Thread J. Forster
Over Christmas, I was chatting with a high accuracy clock researcher in the UK and he mentioned a trip to Brighton on the Winter Solstice and saw notices for this: Burning the Clocks Festival. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_the_Clocks LoL. -John

[time-nuts] OT: Mayans

2012-12-19 Thread J. Forster
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Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-12-10 Thread J. Forster
Yes. There is a Yahoo Group spwecifically about EIP products. -John I have an EIP counter with a problem, stashed, that I need to look at eventually. So have been following the thread a bit. If you guys get somewhere conclusive (or not), might be nice to post a summary

[time-nuts] [Fwd: [hp_agilent_equipment] Blue Feather File Archive Updated]

2012-12-02 Thread J. Forster
FYI, this is an archive of ROM EPROM dumps for various test gear. -John == Original Message Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Blue Feather File Archive Updated From:Bruce Lane kyr...@bluefeathertech.com Date:Sat,

[time-nuts] [Fwd: [hp_agilent_equipment] Blue Feather File Archive Updated]

2012-12-02 Thread J. Forster
Oops. It seems that Bruce's announcement is premature. Best, -John FYI, this is an archive of ROM EPROM dumps for various test gear. -John == Original Message Subject: [hp_agilent_equipment] Blue

[time-nuts] WWVB All Over Again

2012-12-01 Thread J. Forster
From Page 5: The need to offer legacy LORAN-C system capabilityt for legacy LORAN-C is not required in the US and Does anybody who heard the test signal know for certain that the modulation was that being proposed? Perhaps they were just testing a new transmitter with the old modulation? It

Re: [time-nuts] Loran

2012-11-30 Thread J. Forster
IF, and it's a big IF, it is compatible with existing LORAC-C receivers, it would be a most welcome development, and would mitigate to some extent the idiotic decision to shut down LORAN-C. If it's incompatible with the existing, installed receivers, because it uses some kind of proprietary, sole

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-29 Thread J. Forster
It sounds like a SW limit, not hardware. Silly question: Have you read the manual? -John = 29/11/2012 09:30 The replacement for the missing U6 chip arrived this morning and it now completes the 200 MHz self test It will read up to the limit of my frequency generator on Band

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-29 Thread J. Forster
OK. It maybe time for the hair dryer and freeze spray. Also, try re-seating any socketed chips. -John == It sounds like a SW limit, not hardware. Silly question: Have you read the manual? -John 29/11/2012 15:31 Hi John, will re read the section on limits, but please see

Re: [time-nuts] EIP545A 18GHz counter query

2012-11-27 Thread J. Forster
The first thing to do with any EIP counter is to remove and reseat all the PCBs. The card sockets they use are sometimes flaky. Simply doing this fixed most of the counters. This is especially true if they have been storfed for a while. YMMV, -John === 27/11/2012 14:18

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-26 Thread J. Forster
the attic and allows for better reception Sent from my iPhone On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:15 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: There are ways to do it w/o drilling holes. Most all houses have vent stacks for the plumbing, typically 3 or 4 inch cast iron or thick plastic. You can clamp a couple

Re: [time-nuts] Is a crystal likely to change frequency by 3% ?

2012-11-26 Thread J. Forster
Have you contacted ArtekMedia for any manual information? Also, have you checked/posted a question to the VNA Agilent Forum? -John == I've got an HP 8720D VNA. This has been out of support from Agilent for 8 years, so its getting on a bit. There's a clock in the instrument

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-26 Thread J. Forster
You might better use RTV. I's plenty strong enough and can be taken apart if needed. -John = Unfortunately not, it's part of the molded bottom piece of the antenna casing. On 11/26/2012 9:24 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Peter Gottlieb

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-25 Thread J. Forster
Generally, it should work most of the time, which is probably good enough to discipline your local standard. Obviously, you want it above any foil backed insulation. Generally, near the ridge would be good, as ridges don't get that much snow cover. I've had a handhelg Garmin lock up OK in a lab

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna in attic?

2012-11-25 Thread J. Forster
There are ways to do it w/o drilling holes. Most all houses have vent stacks for the plumbing, typically 3 or 4 inch cast iron or thick plastic. You can clamp a couple of feet of pipe onto one of those and run the wire to under an eve or through a gable end, adding a drip loop of course. But, if

Re: [time-nuts] FS/FT HP 5335A

2012-11-24 Thread J. Forster
You might want to ask on the EIP_Microwave Yahoo Group. EIP made some of the best microwave counters ever. -John = Wanted: microwave counter. Must go to at least 18 GHz. For trade: HP 5335a. Working. HPIB, Enhanced HPIB triggering options, etc.. Depending on unit cash can be

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB new modulation scheme monograph

2012-11-22 Thread J. Forster
It depends on what you mean: First off, the phase modulation renders many existing phase tracking receivers useless. Period. A few current receivers are immune to the PSK, but they do not 'use' the PSK modulation, but they just ignore it. My understanding is, the new modulation was designed

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB new modulation

2012-11-22 Thread J. Forster
I believe they have a design that is working in silicon. If so, that's a $ million or more head start. That, to me, is a monopoly because any other entrant to the market would have to amortize that expense. Furthermore, there is the issue of patent suits, even if you can design around their

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