Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message u6k7n815ugngmc185k08m7578v1kq8d...@4ax.com, David writes: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:20:28 +, Poul-Henning Kamp How long is the PLL time constant compared to the rate of temperature changes? Maybe I misunderstood the application. I'm working on driving the EFC input of a double-oven

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7601e.32c7850c.3ea53...@aol.com, ewkeh...@aol.com writes: What drives the EFC? A computer implemented PLL controls the DAC which drives the EFC -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

[time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
by the HP6626A, that's not where the noise comes from. Plot attached... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is pretty horrid, almost a microvolt/sqrt(Hz) all the way to one kHz. For comparison the AD5791 is purely static and its noise is below 10 nv/sqrt(Hz) from 5Hz and up. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

[time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Has anybody tried using the AD5791 20bit DAC for EFC control ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] AD5791 for EFC control ?

2013-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
voltage references to go with (e.g. REF5050, ~2 USD). That reminds me of another thing: I wonder if one is better off using a external precision reference or the VREF output from the OCXO ? It's probably one of those sometimes things... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A flash dump.

2013-04-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
started a python based reverse engineering kit called PyReveng for such jobs: https://github.com/bsdphk/PyRevEng -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice

Re: [time-nuts] Common-View GPS Network

2013-04-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
pole. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
occultation oersted are good search-terms if you want to read the fundamental scientific papers on the subject. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. The Ørsted satellite used a standard Turbo-rogue receiver in in a high output-rate mode. Can't remember if it was 10 or 100Hz. I seem to remember that dual-frequency carrier tracking is the enabling technology for GPS sounding, but the Øersted papers will give you all that. -- Poul-Henning

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
which goes That was covered in the lecture last week, right after the professor told the joke about ... Any student who is stupid enough to ask a TA or God forbid the Professor about the joke they missed, will get what they deserve. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
/amplifier-modules/ti-300-amplifier.html Depending on the actual power-requirement, you can also consider the NatSemi audio chips, for instance the LM3875 gainclone. It is basically a very good high-power op-amp. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
that the actual number is not 20ps but 19.5763ps See page 8-19 in the manual. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ECL logic from late 1970thies. Indeed. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
/magnetic/acoustic quiet for me to ever detect anything. Most LCD and LED clocks have a shielding metal-coating on the front glass, exactly to eliminate all EMI/EMC issues. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
for a moment about how little power the electronics consume in the first place, then do the math. You'll need a very (radio-)quiet place to measure in... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-02-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is an indicator of low noise, but not a guarantee of low noise. For instance in wet lead-acid cells, turbulence in the liquid as the density changes can lead to low-frequency noise, which incidentally sounds a lot like a pot of stew simmering. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the best and lowest noise is to build a volta-pile ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
impressive things. However, to big caveats: 1. It's very temperature sensitive so on average you only get tens of dB, not hundred dB damping. 2. Noise which comes in from the load gets amplified. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
on a 0Hz carrier ? If you want the dynamic behaviour, it gets much more tricky, because then you have both the spectrum of the load-changes and the supply-changes, resulting in a spectrum output from the PSU. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
if mono-isotopic quartz in the first place ? I pressume that would be a requirement in order to link it to the atomic weight unit ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the new mass definition, rather than the quartz-ball, simply because they are so much easier to construct. The isotope-separation is really a killer. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal noise contribution to phase noise

2013-01-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 01d801cdf67c$03caeaa0$0b60bfe0$@eozinc.com, Mike Feher writes: I would think that you would not be able to tell the difference between AM or PM noise. 73 - Mike That doesn't mean that there isn't a difference ;-) -- Poul-Henning

[time-nuts] A timely, but _very_ boring job...

2013-01-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the exact time of day. In the present development of this service it is the practice to localize in one place the time service for an entire exchange area. http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol09-1930/bstj-vol09-issue01.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] OT - USB to LPT Adapter - Does it exist?

2013-01-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
be able to find one without too much trouble though. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] eLoran for GPS backup

2013-01-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 3B5BC99D4C814337985A6DE70F6AAC60@gnat, Alan Melia writes: Most of the financers of the Baltic Sylt chain do not seem enthusiastic but it remains on (I believe subsidised by the French) I belive UK and France carries the entire cost of the NELS chains now. -- Poul-Henning

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 50e4c479.5080...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: On 1/2/13 11:37 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Actually, the OS is not important, floating point support is. floating point support in the sense that the compiler supports it and generates appropriate code to use software FP

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. The disadvantage is that you need more flash to hold all that junk. In general, you should reuse as much code as you can, life is too short to write another UDP checksum subroutine. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. My life is too short to fight odd-ball compilers, when I can get a real 32 bit CPU and a good compiler instead. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
point support is. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
* 5 = 78125 Hz Reception looks good here in .dk -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
in equipment or as black block to plug in the outlet. Many LED light devices, including some X-mas lights use a switchmode supply. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
pin. When they also connected the VCC pin, it was stable well above spec'ed speed. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
/LPC1343CodeBase -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera

2012-12-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
shell script, I wrote something about that for ACM: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 50cf7327.2050...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: Anybody have any decent links to go hunting for? Have you checked Calendrical Calculations ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAL8XPmN8PbcSEfmRCiude+sYCX3kawBF6h4T0=n0n0emxlx...@mail.gmail.com, Azelio Boriani writes: 31-bit is 186dB... with what do you compare that device? What kind of reference is needed? It's not 31 noise-free bits, but the SNR is in the 120-130dB territory. -- Poul-Henning

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
will be stable enough for that. For longer term you calibrate your entire system, starting with the geophone, so the voltage reference is caught that way. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3

Re: [time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
are out of range. Smart detail. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

[time-nuts] 31bit ADC, 1000 samples per second

2012-12-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
measurements may want to consider this chip... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
to the area, was used on a piece of code I wrote, which during its most popular use-period, protected upwards of 50% of all passwords on the internet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message canx10haonf8mauotcr9w8k9wm-ckbgkqqujm6epq5wzrqp5...@mail.gmail.com, David Kirkby writes: On 8 December 2012 08:36, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: And one other detail most people overlook, is that the default GPL text gives any users the right to use any

Re: [time-nuts] PTTI 2012, part 2

2012-12-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
) and the layers of shielding. 65cm looked like close to a minimum for USNO grade, amateurs could probably make do with less shielding. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] PTTI 2012, part 2

2012-12-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
temperature control of the laser diode chip are required. Wouldn't the right way to be to do an optical comb, use that to lock the lasers for the fountain, then lock the optical comb to the fountain ? (Yes, I know! :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] PTTI 2012, part 2

2012-12-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
anything resembling a transmitter. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: [hp_agilent_equipment] Blue Feather File Archive Updated]

2012-12-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1632.12.6.201.52.1354475256.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. Fors ter writes: Oops. It seems that Bruce's announcement is premature. Not really, but he has used his internal (RFC1918) address for the filestore so it's not reachable from the outside. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] Using a frequency synthesizer replacement for motherboard oscillator

2012-12-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
question is - what is the magic frequency on the particular mother board you are going to modify? Once upon a time they all were a pretty predictable 14.xxx MHz. These days, who knows what's going in where It's pretty much still 14.318 Mhz pretty universally. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB All Over Again

2012-12-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
government sanctioned monopoly with commensurate prices. As much as we foreigners appreciate the dysfunctionality of the US political system, could we maybe make time-nuts the one place were we don't have to hear ranting about it all the time ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20

Re: [time-nuts] Is it sensible to update every few seconds from NTP server?

2012-11-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
SNTP which steps the clock, then you should find a better one, if what you need is good timekeeping. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump

2012-11-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
to decode the instructions: https://github.com/bsdphk/PyRevEng Feel free to extend... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump

2012-11-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
on a reasonable good disassembler. There is already a 8051 disassembler in PyReveng -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump

2012-11-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message cad2jfahjxbmuvqvydvah90l9ntlpkoeapdytz5fbaa75ceg...@mail.gmail.com, paul swed writes: Poul Tried looking this up and have pretty odd results. A link please https://github.com/bsdphk/PyRevEng -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A firmware dump

2012-11-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
examples here: Listing: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/_.hp5370b.txt Flowgraph: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/_.hp5370b.pdf -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Problem

2012-11-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
/raga/sneak/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] Hackable hardware for timenuttery

2012-10-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
as it is :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] PRS10 dying from old age...

2012-10-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
One of my PRS10s is dying from old age by the looks of it, here is some data I have collected from it over the last 800 days: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/prs10_death/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Receiver

2012-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
be a significant chunk of the cost. At 60 KHz -- not so much. It's called A PC with a 192kHz soundcard... and it's ridiculously cheap and has amazing computing power :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB Now a Monopoly

2012-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
, I must admit that I find the yelling of bloody murder over a so simple and well documented transmission format. Class action suit because they *improve* your VLF time/freq reference signal and document the new format ? Really ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
that, the flickering would be unbearable. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Hi Power LED Light power supply...

2012-09-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
of their way to avoid flickering using physical or electronic persistence, whereas a naked LED wil happily flash up to several hundred kHz if you ask it to. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantization error

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
a staggered DAC internally and the steps on the major DAC are measurable in the output signal. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
seconds for that, but it depends a lot on the OCXO/Rb and environment. The PLL in NTPns is a (by now) old attempt to make a self-tuning PLL for optimal time stability, and it does a surprisingly good job at it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
it is called a timeconstant doesn't mean we cannot change it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
of monotonic direction etc. etc.) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
conditions during summer (A/C) and winter (heating) and even to GPS constellation changes... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
of the most efficient ones, because you don't need a 3rd reference to measure against. If you have a 3rd ( better) reference, by all means use it, but if all you have is a GPSDO, my method delivers better results than I have seen from anything else. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
anything usable for OCXOs. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
it once and for all, or at least once for every few years. The rest of us may find it easier to have a PLL that auto-optimizes so that we don't have to waste our limited time-nut time on recalibrating our house-standard. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
only needs to have the I term. Because you don't have the interaction between the P and I terms, the I-timeconstant can be longer. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 505642f5.1000...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 09/16/2012 10:30 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: A good PI-based PLL actually combines the FLL and PLL domains [...] But it is the phase correction that doubles the (absolute) magnitude of the frequency noise

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
or frequency error at the cost of phase error, and either is a valid engineering decision depending which of the two are more important to you. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe

Re: [time-nuts] Reducing lab noise with LED lighting.

2012-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
back to halogen type lumens per watt... I run my led-lights directly off my 12V battery backed supply without any regulation, just find the right number of LEDS to connect in series for the maximum charge voltage, and live with a little less light in hold-over mode... -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
for faster capture. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO control loops and correcting quantizationerror

2012-09-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the integration capacitor is a glorified low-pass filter. Even at high update rates, it would be possible to use a PRNG to spread out the spectrum of the update noise. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Fedex Was Be aware of test equipment seller

2012-09-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 505085c2.80...@irtelemetrics.com, Dan Kemppainen writes: Btw, can I propose a bit of self-help here ? I have started to put things like good packing for intl. shipment in my feedback to sellers, if this is warranted. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] SC Cut

2012-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
hit it, until the launched a satellite covered in solar cells... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

[time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

2012-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Apart from probably being well-aged, are there any particular qualities to a OCXO of this type ? It's a pull from a 5061A Cesium. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never

Re: [time-nuts] HP 00105-6013

2012-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message f8b14d65cbed4f158494ffbbdfa89...@vectron.com, Bob Camp writes: Hi It's likely got a BT cut crystal in it. The X-tal partno is 5080-0049 but the cut isn't mentioned. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz line quirks, anybody recognize this stuff?

2012-09-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is an electronically switched motor, likely induction design, and most likely in your fridge or freezer, but possibly a washer or dryer. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] Is this a cesium frequency standard?

2012-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
mafioso or a western company. If it is no good, the company is still locally owned or bankrupt. Given that we havn't seen anything like them elsewhere, I subscribe to the first theory. In particular given the descriptions rather promiscuous claims. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] Is this a cesium frequency standard?

2012-08-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the correction back into the PRS10 via the serial port. When you do that, you get much better results, at 2Hz and elsewhere. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice

[time-nuts] Interesting Loran-C antenna pictures

2012-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
and the ground-grid which forms the other electrode. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence

Re: [time-nuts] Modern motherboard with RS232 port

2012-08-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
surcharge. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] web presentation of data

2012-08-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] What size graphs do people like? (How big is yourscreen?)

2012-08-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
a PDF too, but SVG is better if you want vectorized. I can highly recommend SVG, I use it in Pylt, examples: http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/hp85662_a.svg http://phk.freebsd.dk/misc/hp85662_b.svg Try pressing '+' and '-' in your browser... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p

Re: [time-nuts] What size graphs do people like? (How big is yourscreen?)

2012-08-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 68331.1344242...@critter.freebsd.dk, Poul-Henning Kamp writes: In message 501f80cc.2090...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: On 08/06/2012 09:10 AM, David J Taylor wrote: The absolute best thing would be to make the graphs in some vector format. Maybe PDF files. Raster

Re: [time-nuts] What size graphs do people like? (How big is yourscreen?)

2012-08-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
if it is of interest to them. That is _exactly_ why you should use a vectorformat like SVG: Raster format is a waste of bytes for line graphics. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the rest of the world to accept rule/standards-making based on TAI than GPS for political reasons. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 6A49BBA9110943DEA397D3F7929F32E3@garadm, Jean-Louis Noel writes: Hi, From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk Testing software for correct handling of leap-seconds is a major undertaking which very few people have the kit and skill to do. A software that crashes/behaves badly

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
alignment relative to solar day. Why bother ? Just make everybody use TAI and make T-O-D alignment a cultural thing rather than a numerological superstition ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] So, how did you spend your leapsecond?

2012-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I spent it taking screengrabs of Twitter: http://phk.freebsd.dk/hacks/leap_20120630/index.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
with an extra second ? as filler material on page 7 Whereas coverage of DST changes is REMEMBER TO SET YOUR CLOCKS! on the frontpage. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second? Yay or nay?

2012-07-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
better quality either by paying a lot more money for software or by removing or reducing the impact of this gottcha feature from the programs environment. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] TimePod 5330A announcement/info (was TimePod, cross-correlation fun and measurements)

2012-06-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 00bf01cd4d12$f83a41d0$e8aec570$@pop.net, John Miles writes: Hi John, Congratulations on a good design. Why the 78 MHz sample frequency ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3

Re: [time-nuts] zero crossing of venus

2012-06-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
to the mercury stuff). The measurements mentioned was the time it took Venus to pass the Suns limb, and the time it took the center of Venus to pass across the Sun. No math given. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] Paywall rant

2012-06-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] DDS in GPSDO design?

2012-05-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4fc2a5e9.7050...@partiallystapled.com, Michael Tharp writes: Does anyone have any comments or experience with DDS-based frequency references? I belive that is basically how the optional output generator works for hydrogen masers. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] DDS in GPSDO design?

2012-05-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. There are dedicated PRNG chips which would do a pretty good job, as would pretty much any streaming crypto chip in feedback mode. It's probably not cheaper than the FPGA, but you would avoid the VHDL issue. I like Rich's mixing synthesizer much better. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ time-nuts mailing

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