Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-06 Thread William H. Fite
No, it is not possible to grow absolutely perfect quartz crystals, nor do they occur naturally. I had a connection with some Corning researchers years ago who were trying to do exactly that. They found it impossible to control the hundreds of variables necessary to accomplish that goal. Happily,

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-06 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/5/2017 4:19 PM, Peter Reilley wrote: I am curious: is the quartz in a high quality quartz crystal perfect? That is; is the crystalline lattice perfect, without flaws or impurities? I assume that the quartz is grown in a furnace, can we grow perfect quartz crystals? Pete. Even a

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Nothing in life is perfect :) Diffusion of ions in the lattice is one of the more obscure sources of aging. It is maybe number 10 or 15 on the list. The exception to that would be high radiation environments where you have energetic particles trying to knock things around. A similar (but

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread Peter Reilley
I am curious: is the quartz in a high quality quartz crystal perfect? That is; is the crystalline lattice perfect, without flaws or impurities? I assume that the quartz is grown in a furnace, can we grow perfect quartz crystals? Pete. On 2/5/2017 6:31 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Aging

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread Charles Steinmetz
John wrote: We know of OCXO that have been continuously running for years and have exceptional aging, supposedly as a result. What does it take to interrupt that? A momentary loss of power? The oven cooling down? Some long period of off-time? Or, once the oscillator has baked in will it

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Aging can be caused by many things. Stress on the blank (and can and leads and plating and …) is one source. There are good reasons to believe that quartz vs metal stress can take > 1 month to settle out to the 90% level. Particle (think borders down to atoms) equilibrium inside the can is

Re: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread Bob Stewart
-GPSDOs/info From: John Ackermann N8UR <j...@febo.com> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:11 PM Subject: [time-nuts] What interrupts aging? We know of OCXO that have been continuously running for ye

[time-nuts] What interrupts aging?

2017-02-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We know of OCXO that have been continuously running for years and have exceptional aging, supposedly as a result. What does it take to interrupt that? A momentary loss of power? The oven cooling down? Some long period of off-time? Or, once the oscillator has baked in will it return to that