Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-25 Thread Heathkid
Miles jmi...@pop.net To: les...@veenstras.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Cc: q...@yahoogroups.com; 'David' n7...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference Hi

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's the good temperature sensor. Since Trimble never bothered to get the other one working, apparently the difference between the two didn't matter to the firmware / end application. The high resolution is certainly a lot more useful to me. Bob On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Mark J.

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread John Miles
Hi, I'm interested in doing some ionospheric research, but I don't want to break the bank with an $8,000 USD GPS disciplined Rubidium clock. Anyone have some ideas on cheaper alternatives? Suggest getting one of these, or another one like it:

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Are you interested in 24 hour stability or something longer than that? Bob On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Lester Veenstra wrote: From: q...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:q...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:55 PM To: q...@yahoogroups.com

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread jimlux
Lester Veenstra wrote: From: q...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:q...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:55 PM To: q...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference Hi, I'm interested in doing some ionospheric

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Peter Vince
Hello Lester, To expand on Bob's message a little, do you need medium to long-term accuracy (for a frequency counter reference for example), or something that is both accurate AND has low phase noise, suitable for multiplying up to GigaHertz, say, for communications? Particularly if the

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Camp
, September 22, 2010 9:27 AM To: les...@veenstras.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference Hello Lester, To expand on Bob's message a little, do you need medium to long-term accuracy (for a frequency

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Lester Veenstra
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Peter Vince Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:27 PM To: les...@veenstras.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Lester Veenstra
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 5:06 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread John Miles
John, unless I am going mad, the ADEV plots for both auctions you mentioned look the same - maybe the bad one has been replaced since you posted your message? The black-and-white plot that everybody uses is from the original Thunderbolt data sheet, which was way conservative even for the

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Mark Spencer
measurement time-nuts@febo.com; David n7...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 12:42:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference       John, unless I am going mad, the ADEV plots for both auctions you mentioned look the same - maybe the bad one has been

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Camp
...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 12:42:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference John, unless I am going mad, the ADEV plots for both auctions you mentioned look the same - maybe the bad one has been replaced since you posted your

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Ed Palmer
...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 12:42:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference John, unless I am going mad, the ADEV plots for both auctions you mentioned look the same - maybe the bad one has been replaced since you posted your message

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread russell
, September 22, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference And if you buy a newer unit with the better oscillator, new firmware, and newer (but brain-dead) temperature sensor, it's trivial to replace the sensor. It took me longer to take the unit apart

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Camp
- From: Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference And if you buy a newer unit with the better oscillator

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The black box TBolt is the real version. The one with the chromate box is the upside down version. It's pretty obvious which is which looking at things like the 9 pin D connector. Rumor has it that a very large customer designed their box backwards and the upside down part came into being

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: The temp sensor is the one that moves in real small steps. The bad one moves in (1/2 degree???) big steps. All of that (and much more) is visible if you bring up Lady Heather and see what's going on. My TBolt has the 3.0 firmware and the

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Ed Palmer
Does the temperature move around a little or is it a flat, straight line? If it never moves, it's probably the bad one. As Bob mentions below, the temperature only changes in large steps with the bad sensor. The good one has steps in the millidegree range. I got my chips from

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-22 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: Does the temperature move around a little or is it a flat, straight line? If it never moves, it's probably the bad one. As Bob mentions below, the temperature only changes in large steps with the bad sensor. The good one has steps in

Re: [time-nuts] [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference

2010-09-21 Thread Lester Veenstra
From: q...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:q...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:55 PM To: q...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [qs1r] Looking for good, cheap, external reference Hi, I'm interested in doing some ionospheric research, but I don't want to