Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-15 Thread kevin-usenet
It's possible to use Bresenham with two integers 10,000,000 and 32,768 but I found no way to perform all the 24-bit calculations on an 8-bit PIC quick enough. Removing the GCD often helps but in this case the accumulator remains 3-bytes wide. Huh? Dividing 10,000,000 by 4 (to match the PIC

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
Thanks for the info, Clint. Seems like the only way to get my four Panasonic DVRs to synchronize time is to analyze the I/O of the micro in the DVR, write interface and HMI specs, and replace the micro with one that can talk to my SNTP server. (Added two DVRs back when NASA was launching

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, DLL not DDL I made a mistake. Actually it is not in my schedule to make such a divisor, just for speculation. The main thought here is that, as you pointed out, it can be done avoiding PLL and DLL. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: OK for the PSOC

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Tom Van Baak
I think I've seen comments about making 32 KHz from 10 MHz in a PIC or AVR. tvb has this web page, but I don't see a 32 KHz option: http://www.leapsecond.com/pic/picdiv.htm Hal, Yes, I have a PIC divider that takes 5 or 10 MHz input and outputs a 32.768 kHz square wave with minimal jitter

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Roberto Barrios
://www.rbarrios.com -Mensaje original- From: Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:34 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders I think I've seen comments about making 32 KHz from 10 MHz

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Tom Van Baak
you, Roberto EB4EQA http://www.rbarrios.com -Mensaje original- From: Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:34 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders I think I've seen comments

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
it is done. Thank you, Roberto EB4EQA http://www.rbarrios.com -Mensaje original- From: Tom Van Baak Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:34 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders I think

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Tom Van Baak
Message - From: Azelio Boriani To: Tom Van Baak ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders Amazing... there is always something to learn from TVB. Now

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders Amazing... there is always something to learn from TVB. Now I'll try to derive a 2.048MHz G.703-13 clock from a 10MHz clock. I suspect

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders Yes, shortly after having sent out the message I realized that I was, as usual, too fast. I'm aware that a simple microprocessor can't be used but a Spartan3 can be involved. Then another problem: the 2.048MHz is about 1

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Hal Murray
t...@leapsecond.com said: I'm not sure how well a multi-level leap year algorithm relates Breseham's algorithm. I tracked down his 1965 plotter article. There might be common ground there. It's the same math as a DDS. If Breseham would land exactly on a grid point after N steps, a DDS will

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK for the PSOC example. At the moment I can try on a Spartan3 because I already have a board with the OCXO. The Spartan3 has the so called DCM, a digital clock generator that can multiply an input clock using its DDL digital delay line. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Clint Turner
Years ago (in the 80's) I needed to lock a homebrew DDS to an accurate, stable 10 MHz reference (a good TCXO in this case) that was set to WWV/H. Considering that the DDS was clocked at 2^24 Hz (16.777216 MHz) this was slightly awkward, but I did it using standard HC and 4000 logic. The

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
No doubt, the correct way to generate accurate clocks from an accurate 10MHz is by PLLs. There are DDS too, then there is a strange method that uses a sort of dual (triple? Quadruple? ...) modulus. The advantage is that you don't need another oscillator (the PLL needs a VCO) or the (co)sine lookup

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Jim Hickstein
... since the analogs went dark. Are you near any Class-A or low-power stations? Those are still permitted to broadcast NTSC signals. What's in their vertical interval would be a separate question, though. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-02 Thread Hal Murray
OK for the PSOC example. At the moment I can try on a Spartan3 because I already have a board with the OCXO. The Spartan3 has the so called DCM, a digital clock generator that can multiply an input clock using its DDL digital delay line. The original context was keeping wall clock time. In

[time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-01 Thread Bill Hawkins
And now for something completely different: Here I am with all of this precision time equipment, and I still have to manually set time on the Digital Video Recorders (DVR) because the TV channels that used to send a time code that the DVR understood no longer do so. Seems like it died when

Re: [time-nuts] ANFSCD - Synchronizing time in home video recorders

2012-02-01 Thread Hal Murray
Failing that, can the crystal that determines time for the DVR be adjusted? What sort of crystals do you find inside? My guess is there are two of them, one at 32KHz used for timekeeping, and one at ?? MHz for the CPU. I think I've seen comments about making 32 KHz from 10 MHz in a PIC or