Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-31 Thread Simon Marsh
Many thanks to everyone for your suggestions and patience. Short answer, the problem was power related, but more accurately, it was a shielding problem. Long answer, it was not immediately obvious as power in the setup itself didn't seem to be a problem. I need 12v (for the mv89a or 8663

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: Many thanks to everyone for your suggestions and patience. Short answer, the problem was power related, but more accurately, it was a shielding problem. Long answer, it was not immediately obvious as power in

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Simon Marsh
Lots more pictures and data uploaded here: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzvFGRfj4aFkMFBtNWFSZVBKWkkusp=sharing In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes I decided to go back to basics with just a single DFlop (AC74) on a breadboard; no BBB, just

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Chuck Harris
Generally speaking, metastability problems with FF's are caused by an inappropriate timing relationship causing both of the latch gates to get stuck between a logic 1 and a logic 0. If you are in the exact right spot, the FF has no way to decide whether to go up, or to go down, so it just hangs

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Chris Caudle
From: Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis Message-ID: 54524f04.7060...@burble.com The first few pics (DFlop-unsync-floating-*) show the Q output, which was unconnected to anything other than the oscilloscope. They show a few glitches

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
subscripti...@burble.com said: In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes I decided to go back to basics with just a single DFlop (AC74) on a breadboard; no BBB, just a couple of oscillators driving the data and clock pins ... I don't know what the

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
subscripti...@burble.com said: In an effort to understand which component was responsible for my ~17us spikes ... 17 microseconds is 58 KHz. That's a reasonable number for a switching power supply. What does your power look like? I don't know what you are using for a circuit. My guess is

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 30.10.2014 um 20:08 schrieb Hal Murray: 17 microseconds is 58 KHz. That's a reasonable number for a switching power supply. What does your power look like? I don't know what you are using for a circuit. My guess is that the crap on the power is shifting the switching point slightly.

Re: [time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How about a picture of the “as built” circuit? There may be something about the construction that’s the issue. Bob On Oct 30, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: Lots more pictures and data uploaded here:

[time-nuts] BBB DDMTD - analysis

2014-10-29 Thread Simon Marsh
This is the second post related to my attempts to create a BBB DDMTD, the first post had a load of graphs showing details of what was happening around glitch periods. This post is about interpreting those graphs. Pretty obvious from only a cursory glance at the graphs are that transitions