[time-nuts] Best way to...?

2011-12-14 Thread Bruce Lane
Hi, gang, What's the best way folks have found to remove the Ebay special 5680's from the hunk of PC board they're rivited to on arrival? On a related note: Any speculation on whether an SMA connector could be added to accommodate the 10MHz output? I seem to recall the 5680's

Re: [time-nuts] Best way to...?

2011-12-14 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 14/12/2011 21:41:13 GMT Standard Time, kyr...@bluefeathertech.com writes: What's the best way folks have found to remove the Ebay special 5680's from the hunk of PC board they're rivited to on arrival? Alan/Hex key, what look like rivets are screws :-)

Re: [time-nuts] Best way to...?

2011-12-14 Thread Don Latham
These are small self-tapping hollow Allen screws. Find the right size Allen L-shaped wrench and have at it... Don Bruce Lane Hi, gang, What's the best way folks have found to remove the Ebay special 5680's from the hunk of PC board they're rivited to on arrival? On a related

Re: [time-nuts] Best way to...?

2011-12-14 Thread Don Latham
I just checked: it's a 1/16 in. hex wrench ( not metric.) They've been driven in hard, don't give up... Don gandal...@aol.com In a message dated 14/12/2011 21:41:13 GMT Standard Time, kyr...@bluefeathertech.com writes: What's the best way folks have found to remove the Ebay special 5680's

Re: [time-nuts] Best way to...?

2011-12-14 Thread Robert Darlington
I didn't feel like digging for an allen key so I just drilled from the back side of the board. I didn't go all the way through. It was just enough to remove the nut or anchor that was attached to the PCB. It took about 1 minute. -Bob On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Don Latham

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-17 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: microwave frequency down to where it can be compared with the reference. You can do a straight divider, but then, the number of divide ratios is limited, because fast dividers tend to be powers of two, or, at best, small integers. Generally true, but Centellax has a

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Javier Serrano
Hi Hal, I guess you are right. A DDS where I place a sine table spanning 2^20=1048576 locations will allow me to generate fout=fin*(step/2^20) but if I choose to use only 100 locations I can generate 1 kHz from 10 MHz exactly. Therefore this system would not need feedback. I have not looked

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 8/16/09 2:52 AM, Javier Serrano javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Hal, I guess you are right. A DDS where I place a sine table spanning 2^20=1048576 locations will allow me to generate fout=fin*(step/2^20) but if I choose to use only 100 locations I can generate 1 kHz from

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 8/16/09 10:19 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Rich's proposal is very sound and similar to what I would consider. I just haven't toyed with DROs but should get my wet feet some day... also true for chip oscillators in that range. There's a company up near Lake

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Rick Karlquist
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: The usual DDS chips (e.g. From Analog Devices) have a built in table of fixed length. If you want to use something other than the power of 2 it comes with, you'll need to implement the NCO in an FPGA, with an external DAC. Analog Devices is working on a variable

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
That would be very nifty. They have a DDS (or at least a patent on one) that uses CORDIC to generate the samples, rather than a table of sin/cos, so that might be a good start. I suppose it's a matter of trading silicon for the lookup table for silicon for the complex multiplier. And, I would

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread John Miles
But I'm missing a couple of key ideas. How does one build a PLL at 3 GHz or 9 GHz? I designed a board awhile back to try out some of the off-the-shelf PLL chips from the same manufacturer: http://www.ke5fx.com/hpll.htm . It's not in the league that's being discussed here (although the JPL

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-16 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 8/16/09 1:26 PM, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote: But I'm missing a couple of key ideas. How does one build a PLL at 3 GHz or 9 GHz? I designed a board awhile back to try out some of the off-the-shelf PLL chips from the same manufacturer: http://www.ke5fx.com/hpll.htm . It's

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-15 Thread Hal Murray
and that brings him to about 55 MHz. To generate that 55 MHz he has several options: - Cascading two DDS chips to get many bits of frequency resolution and leave the thing in open loop. I don't like the absence of feedback in this option, Why do you want feedback for a DDS? It's not a PLL

[time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Javier Serrano
Dear nuts, A colleague from a Free Electron Laser lab has the following problem: he needs to make a frequency to use as an X-band LO that is *exactly*8994.03 MHz (3*2998.01 MHz) and it *must* be locked to his S-band LO which is exactly 2998.01*732/757 MHz (2899.00042272.MHz). He intends to

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread David Bengtson
so there is one frequency that is X*(732/757), and he want to get X*3 from this? Seems like an integer-N PLL could do this pretty straightforwardly, although I'd have to spend some time to figure out the exact multiples. National Semiconductor has an app note on frequency planning for synthsizers

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Rick Karlquist
David Bengtson wrote: so there is one frequency that is X*(732/757), and he want to get X*3 from this? Seems like an integer-N PLL could do this pretty straightforwardly, although I'd have to spend some time to figure out the exact multiples. National Semiconductor has an app note on

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Rick Karlquist
Corrected version: Yes. The ideal architecture would be to use a dielectric resonator oscillator at 8994 MHz as the output source. Then divide its output by two. Take that ~4.5 GHz signal and divide it by 757 using the divide by N section of an Analog Devices ADF4106. Divide the 2899 MHz by

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
These days, you might want to consider using the GaAs VCOs from Hittite, rather than the DRO. DROs are SUCH a pain to build and tune, being a mechanical resonator in a cavity. Everything you do seems to adversely affect the DRO. The MMIC VCO is just a die (or a die in a package) and it's pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Rick Karlquist
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: These days, you might want to consider using the GaAs VCOs from Hittite, rather than the DRO. DROs are SUCH a pain to build and tune, being a mechanical resonator in a cavity. Everything you do seems to adversely affect the DRO. The MMIC VCO is just a die (or a die in

Re: [time-nuts] Best way for generating 8994.03 MHz from 2899.00042272.....MHz?

2009-08-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 8/14/09 7:17 PM, Rick Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: These days, you might want to consider using the GaAs VCOs from Hittite, rather than the DRO. DROs are SUCH a pain to build and tune, being a mechanical resonator in a cavity. Everything you do seems to