Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Mike Monett
(I combined your two posts into one) Mike The RV Jones papers were published in either the Review of Scientific instruments or the Journal of Sceintific Instruments - I forget which. I'll look for my paper copies when I get back from shopping later today.

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike One good general reference for capacitance micrometers is: /Microdisplacement Transducers/ by P.H. Sydenham, Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments, Vol 5, p721-33, 1972.

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike Monett wrote: Hi Bruce, Thanks for the info. I looked at Physik Instrumente, and their performance is truly impressive. For example, the D-510.020 single-electrode capacitive sensor has a nominal range of 20 um, and a sensor active area of 11.2 mm^2:

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Mike Monett
Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike One good general reference for capacitance micrometers is: /Microdisplacement Transducers/ by P.H. Sydenham, Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments, Vol 5, p721-33, 1972.

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike Monett wrote: Hi Bruce, Thanks very much for the url. That is a very interesting article on Jones. Nice to have an award named after you, and to be the first one to receive it:) The abstract for his article states: A general account is given of both the

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread David
Bruce, A totally trivial correction for you : the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Jones was at Aberdeen university post war. A curious character, his recollections of his wartime research are fascinating and worth reading but I fear are best read with

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
David wrote: Bruce, A totally trivial correction for you : the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Jones was at Aberdeen university post war. A curious character, his recollections of his wartime research are fascinating and worth reading but I fear

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hej Bruce, Hej Magnus A capacitive sensing AC bridge can be very sensitive, one only has to look at the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in the 50's, 60's and 70's. He and his collaborators used capacitive sensors to detect (among other things) the extrusion of a micrometer

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus An elegant way of achieving some degree of temperature compensation may be to use 3 coaxial electrodes surrounding the mercury column. One relatively long one used to couple the bridge drive signal to the mercury column and located between the other 2. The top electrode one being

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Bob Paddock
Bruce, very interesting. I didn't know capacitive sensors went down that low. That could be useful in other areas. I searched google but found nothing. Do you have any urls? http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=175801455 EE Times: SENSORS: Quake detector preps for

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Mike Monett
Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike The drifts experienced were all due to mechanical instabilities which would affect an interferometer sensing the position of the sensor mass in exactly the same way. Jones used mica insulators, phosphor bronze and brass to

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Mike Monett
Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Hej Bruce, [...] Indeed. However, I was trying to hint on a alternative approach or temporary approach which would not need much design to achieve equal performance if the electrodes could not be

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-23 Thread Mike Monett
Mike Monett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Gentlemen, The problem is very simple. If the sensor lead that contacts the mercury has a diameter of 0.010 inch, with a flat end, and is 100 microinches away from the mercury, the capacitance is 0.35 pf. Sorry, I used a bad

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: My proposal to use capacitive sensing rather than conductive sensing would handle the electrode oxide issue. It is meant as a means to go around the sensing issue with parts at hand and only some new electronic design of very simple form, not the means to

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-22 Thread Mike Monett
Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hej Magnus A capacitive sensing AC bridge can be very sensitive, one only has to look at the work of RV Jones at the university of Glasgow in the 50's, 60's and 70's. He and his collaborators used capacitive sensors to detect (among

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike Monett wrote: Bruce, very interesting. I didn't know capacitive sensors went down that low. That could be useful in other areas. I searched google but found nothing. Do you have any urls? Regards, Mike Monett Mike The RV Jones papers were published in either the

Re: [time-nuts] Capacitive temperature sensing

2008-08-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike You could also look at Queensgate Instruments. Integral capacitive sensors have been used in a feedback loop to maintain the spacing and parallelism of a pair of Fabry-Perot interferometer plates. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list --