Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-20 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:49:50 -0700 cdel...@juno.com wrote: I'm trying to figure out what change if any to a cavities resonant frequency would be when measured with ambient air pressure and then with a vacuum inside. There will not be any pressure on the cavity when under vacuum as the outside

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi And for major fun, you can get into altitude and humidity corrections on the exact number. Since your altitude does not change day to day, humidity is often the thing that drives you a bit nuts. Bob On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:30 AM, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: The

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 21:49:50 -0700 cdel...@juno.com wrote: I'm trying to figure out what change if any to a cavities resonant frequency would be when measured with ambient air pressure and then with a vacuum inside. There will not be any pressure on the cavity when under vacuum as the outside

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/18/15 10:30 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: The ratio of the resonant frequency of the evacuated cavity to that of the air filled cavity increases by the square root of the relative permittivity of the ambient air or around 300ppm or so. Bruce I believe that there are systems that measure

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Alex Pummer
vacuum's dielectric constant is 1, air dielectric constant is 1.00059 at 1 atm, therefore the frequency with vacuum is higher, but with air it depend on pressure and humidity also 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 8/18/2015 9:49 PM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Hi everyone! I'm trying to figure out what change

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: And for major fun, you can get into altitude and humidity corrections on the exact number. Since your altitude does not change day to day, humidity is often the thing that drives you a bit nuts. Is it altitude or air pressure (density)? There is a semi-joke about good

Re: [time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-19 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The ratio of the resonant frequency of the evacuated cavity to that of the air filled cavity increases by the square root of the relative permittivity of the ambient air or around 300ppm or so. Bruce On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 5:06 PM, cdel...@juno.com cdel...@juno..com wrote:

[time-nuts] Cavity frequency air filled vs vacuum?

2015-08-18 Thread cdelect
Hi everyone! I'm trying to figure out what change if any to a cavities resonant frequency would be when measured with ambient air pressure and then with a vacuum inside. There will not be any pressure on the cavity when under vacuum as the outside of the cavity will also be at vacuum. The cavity