On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:27:32 -0400, John Ackermann N8UR wrote:
It works well, but one thing that annoys me is a flicker on the screen
at fast (less than a few microsecond) sweep speeds. I emailed Rigol US
about it, but never had a response so don't know if it's normal or not.
My Tek
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
Chinese scopes and menus
In modern asian culture it's a highly valued skill to be able to memorize menu
selections which are deeply nested And many asian designs actually increase the
number
On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:42:31 +
li...@lazygranch.com wrote:
Sadly, the last scope I bought was a Chinese Rigol. (I do have real
scopes too.) It is getting to the point where Rigol and Instek will make
buying boat anchors a thing of the past.
What's the quality of those chinese scopes?
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What's the quality of those chinese scopes?
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 09:46:27AM +0200, Attila Kinali wrote:
Sadly, the last scope I bought was a Chinese Rigol. (I do have real
scopes too.) It is getting to the point where Rigol and Instek will make
buying boat anchors a thing of the past.
What's the quality of those chinese scopes?
I often smile secretly at those who tout the latest asian stuff. It may be
small, light, and look like a 'puter, but it doesn't compare for bench use
to a Tek 7000 series similar vintage portables.
Going through layer after layer of ever more obtuse menus is just not
'user friendly' to me. Maybe
I have the latest and greatest from both Tek and Agilent at work,
designed and made right here in the states. They suffer from menu-itis
just like the chinese stuff does. My Tek DSA 72004 at work is a
complete PITA to use unless I have the mouse and keyboard attached. In
my opinion, it's just how
2012 08:19:58 -0700
From: garn...@gmail.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
I have the latest and greatest from both Tek and Agilent at work,
designed and made right here in the states. They suffer from menu-itis
just like the chinese
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
I have the latest and greatest from both Tek and Agilent at work,
designed and made right here in the states. They suffer from menu-itis
just like the chinese stuff does. My Tek DSA 72004 at work
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Subject: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
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j...@quikus.com said:
Going through layer after layer of ever more obtuse menus is just not 'user
friendly' to me. Maybe it is to the designers, because they are used to a
10,000+ character alphabet?
How much of that is because you want to use fancy features that didn't even
exist on older
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:46:27 +0200
From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch
To: li...@lazygranch.com, Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Chinese Scopes (was: Re: LORAN-C at MIT)
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j...@quikus.com said:
Going through layer after layer of ever more obtuse menus is just not
'user
friendly' to me. Maybe it is to the designers, because they are used to
a
10,000+ character alphabet?
How much of that is because you want to use fancy features that didn't
even exist on
On 4/16/2012 1:47 PM, Marvin Gozum wrote:
At eevblog.com forum Chinese scopes are a daily discussion for over 3 years.
In summary, in the= 100 MHz level they are very cost effective but there are
better and worse. Rigol, Owon and Hantek are on par while Atten and Uni-T are
consistently rated
Interesting read but have not figured out the MIT loran thread part of the
header. This is about chinese scopes
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote:
On 4/16/2012 1:47 PM, Marvin Gozum wrote:
At eevblog.com forum Chinese scopes are a daily discussion for
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote:
I would actually like to know why many seem to feel that a 500 MHz analog
'scope is not good enough for what you really do in your lab?
Well... if i had a 500MHz analog scope, i wouldnt want anything better..
ok, well
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:47:37 +
Marvin Gozum marvin.go...@jefferson.edu wrote:
At eevblog.com forum Chinese scopes are a daily discussion for over 3 years.
In summary, in the = 100 MHz level they are very cost effective but
there are better and worse. Rigol, Owon and Hantek are on par
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:32:07 -0400
paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting read but have not figured out the MIT loran thread part of the
header. This is about chinese scopes
This is because i forked of the MIT loran thread. Ie i replied to a mail
in the MIT loran thread that
IMO, the place you really need 2-4 channels is logic analyzers, not 'scopes.
YMMV,
-John
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote:
I would actually like to know why many seem to feel that a 500 MHz
analog
'scope is not good enough for
I just can't help it. I like moving the mouse pointer over the slider
and clicking or moving or just typing in a value. My latest scope
(Bitscope)is from Australia, cost $250 inflated $ and all functions are
done via PC. In addition, there is a dll if I want to roll my own app,
and a suite of apps
Alas, those are the UI issues I suggested in my post, fonts is one of them,
there aren't any others in the 1000s series. You can change the 'skins' in the
utility menu. Fonts are one advantage of Owon or Hantek, plus they offer
larger LCDs.
The flicker is from the slow sampling rate at
I would actually like to know why many seem to feel that a 500 MHz analog
'scope is not good enough for what you really do in your lab?
Older 'scopes didn't NEED to re-allocate memory, or use peak modes to
avoid sampling artifacts.
I can think of 3 reasons why I like digital scopes:
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On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:03 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote:
I often smile secretly at those who tout the latest asian stuff. It may be
small, light, and look like a 'puter, but it doesn't compare for bench use
to a Tek 7000 series similar vintage portables.
Going
Chinese scopes and menus
In modern asian culture it's a highly valued skill to be able to memorize menu
selections which are deeply nested And many asian designs actually increase the
number of menus to cater to this
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:03 AM, J. Forster
Ah! That explains inscruitable VCR menus.
-John
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Chinese scopes and menus
In modern asian culture it's a highly valued skill to be able to memorize
menu selections which are deeply nested And many asian designs actually
increase the number of menus to cater to this
Sent
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 05:51:13PM +, Marvin Gozum wrote:
FWIW the 3000 series Agilents were rebadged Rigols. The newer entry levels
to mid-range scopes are now all designed and built by Agilent in their
Malaysia plant.
This means two things: I now know why the overall quality is really
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