Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-03 Thread Mark A. Haun
Thanks to everyone who replied. I probably should have explained that I am familiar with the various options for logic level conversion. It's how those options affect clock noise that I was fuzzy on. Bob's summary definitely helped. SN74LVC1T45 looks to be the winner. Regards, Mark On Thu, 2

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-02 Thread David McGaw
Would it not be better for phase noise to use a logic gate with a fast transition than a resistive divider that would be slower due to the load capacitance? David On 10/1/14 7:09 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, so it’s not a super duper low phase noise OCXO. It’s also at a reasonably high

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It will indeed be better for phase noise to do away with the resistive divider and get faster edges. Of course there are indeed resistive dividers that don’t slow things down. It’s unlikely that a divider with a 10 ohm output impedance is going to tack on to the output of an OCXO.

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, so it’s not a super duper low phase noise OCXO. It’s also at a reasonably high frequency. I’d just drive it into a 5V tolerant input and move on. There are lots of logic gate chips out there that will run from 3.3 and accept 5V inputs. Use something reasonably fast and it will do a

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-01 Thread Vasco Soares
-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V vesoa...@deea.isel.ipl.pt said: I would suggest some 3.3V logic (inverter) gate with 5V tolerant inputs from Little Logic TI portfolio. There are buffered and unbuffered gate available. What's the advantage of a chip over a pair of resistors? hau

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-01 Thread Andy
If it were me, I'd avoid the active buffers since there is no need for them when going from higher to lower voltage swings. The output of a buffer/inverter is guaranteed to be at least a little less clean than what you started with. First, check to see if the 5V output really is a 5V signal. If

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-10-01 Thread Mike Feher
level conversion 5V - 3.3V If it were me, I'd avoid the active buffers since there is no need for them when going from higher to lower voltage swings. The output of a buffer/inverter is guaranteed to be at least a little less clean than what you started with. First, check to see if the 5V output

[time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread Mark Haun
Is there a best way to do this without adding phase noise? For example, a 5V OCXO into an ADF4002, or a 3.3V or even 1.8V logic input. Is a resistive divider the way to go? Mark ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How quiet does it need to be? Put another way - how good is the OCXO? What frequency are we talking about? What is the phase noise “need” after you get to 3.3V (is there a system spec)? Bob On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Mark Haun hau...@keteu.org wrote: Is there a best way to do this

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread Vasco Soares
I would suggest some 3.3V logic (inverter) gate with 5V tolerant inputs from Little Logic TI portfolio. There are buffered and unbuffered gate available. Em 2014-09-30 22:46, Mark Haun escreveu: Is there a best way to do this without adding phase noise? For example, a 5V OCXO into an

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Mark, Lots of good parts on this page: http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/parametrics.do?id=648 But as others are pointing out - it depends Regards, John On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Mark Haun hau...@keteu.org wrote: Is there a best way to do this without adding phase noise? For

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread Mark A. Haun
Hi Bob, The OCXO is one of those 26-MHz ebay Pletronics from a couple years back. I would like to not degrade its close-in phase noise (quoted as -100 dBc @ 10 Hz, -130 dBc @ 100 Hz). Thinking about Said's suggestion to phase lock a higher-frequency sampling clock to this, with a loop BW

Re: [time-nuts] Clock level conversion 5V - 3.3V

2014-09-30 Thread Hal Murray
vesoa...@deea.isel.ipl.pt said: I would suggest some 3.3V logic (inverter) gate with 5V tolerant inputs from Little Logic TI portfolio. There are buffered and unbuffered gate available. What's the advantage of a chip over a pair of resistors? hau...@keteu.org said: I have seen a resistive